issue4
EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 8, Number 4
Today's Topics:
RE: I'm new here. (2 messages)
Another newcomer (2 messages)
Finale
D-50 archives (2 messages)
D-50 patches in archive (6 messages)
Oberheim Matrix 1000
Super-JX Patches ... who's got them ???
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 11:04:00 MET
From: ROBBEL%NKIVXH.SURFNET@HASARA5
Subject: RE: I'm new here.
T. Shawn writes ... (Please 'T.': give us your _full_ name; we'd like to know
who we're talking to)
[... stuff deleted ...]
> -a smaller casiotone that has mini keys and
> a sampling ability , and a very simple synthesizing
> ability based on overtones and a selection of ADSR
> waves to choose from .
>
> question: what great things can I do with that , and/or
> what can I do to upgrade this stuff at minimal costs ?
> (ok , so thats two questions in one .... stand by for
> number 2)
You're probably talking about the SK-1. I know it; it was the first keyboard I
bought before my D-50, MT-32, Super-JX, etc.
I was quite pleased by the reasonable quality of the sounds coming from this
litle beast. It sounded perticulary good on a nice big sound-system and some
delay/reverb. The only 'but' was that it didn't have MIDI...
I also have an Apple 2e for wich I had built a couple of parallel ports that
appeared to be perfectly suitable for driving the Casio. As I also had an MIDI-
interface on the Apple, I wrote a little program that could receive event-data
from my sequencer (an Amiga by the way) on any MIDI-channel and convert that
into the proper binary format to put on the parallel port; et voila: there we
have a (pretty expensive) MIDI-input for the Casio.
Maybe an idea for you and your Tandy ... ?
> -bye for now
> -T. Shawn...
Bye.
Robert Belleman
robbel%nkivxh.surfnet@hasara5.bitnet
robbel%nkivxh.surfnet@sara.nl
robbel@vaxh.nki.nl
"I'm finished. Staying with you requires a degree of
stupidity that I no longer feel capable of."
Avon - Blake's 7
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 14:05:16 EDT
From: "T. Shawn Johnson"
Subject: RE: I'm new here.
22 Aug 89 11:04:00 MET from
Thanks Rob :-) It might help , depending on the cost , but
nonetheless the fact that someone ""into"" the e-music scene started
out as simply definately will :-) Oh , by the way ... T. Shawn Johnson
is my name .. I go by Shawn ... the T is like a middle initial ... I'm
not being candid or antisocial :-) But *sigh* if I must ... my first
name is Tim ... whats your middle name ;-)
-T.Shawn...
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 10:48:58 CDT
From: "Steven J. DeRose"
Subject: Another newcomer
Hello. As keyboards etc. have now reached affordability (to me), I'm planning
to act on my long-standing but latent interest in MIDI. I've been thinking
of getting one of the new Yamaha MIDI keyboards, and hooking it to my Mac II.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen any software that's both nice and affordable.
So my question is, is anyone out there doing anything in the shareware
or public domain arena, or willing to provide some source to work from?
Mainly what I'm looking for is something to read the MIDI-in and save it
to disk in some format I can then edit. A staff editor would sure be nice,
but I appreciate the difficulty of writing one.
I can code in any likely language, so would be willing to tweak things or
work with someone else. Also, in relation to this is a broader question:
Are there any *standards* for encoding music in electronic form?
If so I'd much rather write code that conformed than reinvent the wheel.
I wouldn't count MIDI itself as an *encoding* standard, since (if I
understand it right) it has no internal time encoding, but just sends
events which have to be clocked by some device if their time or duration
is to be recorded.
Thanks for any help!
Dr. Steve DeRose
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 14:11:31 EDT
From: "Kevin R. Weiner"
Subject: Re: Another newcomer
A MIDI file format has been adopted. The format contains general timing
information, and a breakdown of the MIDI stream by track and event time.
MIDI channel messages and their timing are fully represented, but there
is only minimal support to store other notational information.
There is a copy available from the list: GET FILEFMT MIDISPEC
Kevin Weiner Lehigh University Computing Center (215) 758-3991
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 89 13:00:40 EST
From: DJ WOOD
Subject: Finale
Those of you that have finale please help. My problem is that when I try to
display lyrics that was created in mass mode, I see nothing in either view.
Also, I cant use On page create (its dimmed). Please help!!
DJ WOOD
:DJ WOOD emusic-d@auvm 8/23/89 FINALE v 1.2
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 89 14:29:03 BST
From: Nick Rothwell
Subject: D-50 archives
Somebody recently sent me a message about the D-50 banks, but the message
got thrown away by the mail system. I can't remember the details of the
question, but it was something about the file format. The answer is that
the banks are compressed, so run them through uncompress on a Unix host
to get the original 34688 byte data. Then, the D-50 loading is a bit more
complicated, with checksums and the like.
Nick.
--
Nick Rothwell, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh.
nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk !mcvax!ukc!lfcs!nick
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Fais que ton reve soit plus long que la nuit.
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 89 18:03:00 MET
From: ROBBEL%NKIVXH.SURFNET@HASARA5
Subject: re: d50 archives
aha !!! i though _i_ was doing something stupid !! i have had the smae
problem as eric lau: analogfx was 33016 bytes at my machine.
at first i thought i did something wrong transferring the patches from our
vax to our unix-system (ascii transfer instead of binary) but this is not
the case.
the analogfx i got came from emusic-l@auvm. anyone have any comments???
robert belleman.
(why is all this in lower case ??? i think my apple 2 is messing up ...)
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 89 13:04:35 BST
From: Nick Rothwell
Subject: D50 patches in archive
<1371:lau@ean.ubc.ca
Well, it looks as if you're right, and there's been some corruption of
the D-50 banks on the way to the archive, or on the way to you. Your
dump of AnalogFX agrees with mine upto byte 374 (octal) or so.
How big is your patch file? It should be 34688 bytes long.
So: (i) here's a compressed uuencoding of AnalogFX, direct to the mailing
list. Please try with this one, and let me know if it decodes to the
right size on the UNIX host, in which case the fault is in your modem
transfer program, perhaps. I've had Kermit programs corrupt files, so it
isn't unknown.
(ii) Has anybody else tried? I pulled AnalogFX from the archive, and it
was still 34688 bytes long, so I'm inclined to think the archives are
OK.
---CUT---
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 89 09:16:00 -0700
From: lau@EAN.UBC.CA
Subject: D50 patches in archive
Hmm, the bank you sent me uudecoded and decompressed perfectly - it
was 34688 bytes long and from looking at the hex dump for it, everything
looks OK. I'll try getting the bank from the archive again. It's all
quite strange. I had pulled 9 banks from the archive and *none* of them
are 34688 bytes long. AnalogFX came out to 33016 bytes, BassPnoOrg was 33033
bytes and so one. That's more than 100 bytes missing! It's not a problem
between my Unix machine and my PC because the files were corrupted when
I received them on my Unix machine. And the corruption doesn't look like a
transmission problem because the corruption is quite regular - in fact
I can safely say that the bytes lost are always trailing zeroes at the
end of a 64-byte section of a patch. It almost looks like something is
doing some compression of zeroes somewhere. Since the bank is compressed
and then uuencoded, the problem is probably not during uuencoding/uudecoding
but *might* be during the compressing/de-compressing. On which machine
are you running compress and which compress are you using? I have a Vax
running 4.3 and a Sun running SunOS4.0.1 and they both produce the same
file on decompression.
Anyway, I'll try getting the bank from the archive again and doing it all
over again. I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks for taking the
time to help me work out these problems.
Eric Lau
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 89 09:52:00 -0700
From: lau@EAN.UBC.CA
Subject: D50 patches in archive
Stranger and stranger. I actually received your message (the one that
included the AnalogFX bank) THREE times. I know why I received two of
them - one was from EMUSIC-L and one was from you directly. The third
was from EMUSIC-L to BSMTP
???? What it was doing in my mailbox I don't know. Anyway, the one
I originally uudecoded and de-compressed was the one from you directly
to me. It was fine. Well I just uudecoded and de-compressed the other
two messages and guess what.... they're all different. In fact all
three messages are actually different. There looks to be something
majorly wrong going on here between the AUVM archive machine and mine.
Perhaps whoever is in charge of the archive would like to step in and
make some comments if he has any ideas?
Eric Lau
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 89 10:57:02 EDT
From: lau@EAN.UBC.CA
Subject: D50 patches in archive
OK I think I've figured it out. Here's the scoop. I did a 'diff' on
the multiple versions of the banks that you sent me, and the *only*
difference is that all the '^'s have been translated to ';'s in the
uuencoded messages. Pretty bizarre, huh? Well it looks like the
problem occurs at a gateway somewhere between my machine and the AUVM
archive. I assume AUVM is a IBM host since it's on Bitnet and uses
EBCDIC. Well I use a VAX and a Sun, both ASCII machines. Somewhere
between my machine and AUVM, somebody has to translate between EBCDIC
and ASCII and it looks like that translation is messing up. Your
message directly to me had '^'s in the message but by the time it
goes through AUVM and gets to me, those '^'s get translated to ';'.
(Hmm, I wonder what this message will look like when I get it back from
EMUSIC-L. Will this make any sense? OK, '^' is a caret and ';' is
a semi-colon. What does everybody else see?)
Anyway, I've talked to the E-mail people around here and they're going
to look into where the EBCDIC to ASCII translation is getting done
and check if it's working properly. In the meantime, I won't be
able to retrieve the banks from the archive. Do you think it's
possible, Nick, for you to mail me the banks directly(since we've
verified that mail between you and I is being sent properly)?
Sorry to have bothered everybody else on the list with all this but
I hope it will help anybody else who isn't on Bitnet who also gets
EMUSIC-L and has tried to access the archive. Anyway it's been
a weird but educational way to spend a Friday morning.
Eric Lau
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 89 09:50:32 BST
From: Nick Rothwell
Subject: D50 patches in archive
25 Aug 89 09:16:00 -0700 <6520.8908251628@lfcs.ed.ac.uk
Well, I do the compressing on a Sun (SunOS 4.0.?). The uuencoding is done
on a Pyramid, since Sun uuencode puts in space characters, whereas Pyramid
uuencode puts in "`" characters. Either is correct, but the latter is better
because some mailers might remove trailing spaces. I can't remember which
I used for the archives, but this might provide some clue.
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 89 09:53:22 BST
From: Nick Rothwell
Subject: D50 patches in archive
<1374:lau@ean.ubc.ca
>Well it looks like the
>problem occurs at a gateway somewhere between my machine and the AUVM
>archive. I assume AUVM is a IBM host since it's on Bitnet and uses
>EBCDIC. Well I use a VAX and a Sun, both ASCII machines.
Say no more. I have had no end of problems with ASCII/EBCDIC conversions.
I'll mail the banks directly to you.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 89 16:39:16 BST
From: Nick Rothwell
Subject: Oberheim Matrix 1000
8 Aug 89 10:24:00 EDT <526.8908241259@lfcs.ed.ac.uk
>I have a chance to pick up a Matrix 1000 for a nice price ... have any
>of you used this piece of gear?
Briefly, and I've got a Matrix-6R.
>Can it be programmed, or is it merely a
>ROM unit?
It has 800 ROM patches and 200 RAM ones. You can select the voices directly
from the front panel or over MIDI, but the RAM voices can't be edited
without software. You could write your own (I'm currently doing this for
my '6R), if you're lucky enough to get the System Exclusive spec. If you
are, then I'd like to hear from you! Oberheim are dreadfully secretive
about this stuff.
>Is it multitimbral? (I know the Matrix 6 could play splits
>... can this do the same?).
No, and No. Single timbre, single mono output.
>Is this a good module for $500 Cdn
>(currently about $420 US), or should I be looking at some Roland gear
>for analog? I remember being impressed with the J8XP awhile ago - is
>that the Super-JX rack mount people have been talking about?
The Super-JX is essentially two JX8Ps in a single box, although rumour
has it that it doesn't sound quite as good. As far as I'm concerned, it
sounds beautiful. It doesn't have as flexible as voice architecture
as the Oberheims, but the MKS-70 rackmount has 12 voices which can be
grouped bitimbrally as 6 + 6, plus chorusing. I also find the Oberheim
sound to be a little stodgy for some purposes...
Nick.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 89 16:49:15 BST
From: Nick Rothwell
Subject: Super-JX Patches ... who's got them ???
7 Aug 89 09:37:00 EST <1190.8908241643@lfcs.ed.ac.uk
>So who has Super-JX machines for #500?
Soho Soundhouse, London. The "#" means pounds. I've seen reports of these
units in the US for $600.
>Are these new machines? tnx.
New as in unopened and boxed, yes.
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