issue12

EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 54, Issue 12

This issue's topics:
	
	Bohlen-Pierce Scale in SY77/99 Sysex Format Available
	C (5 messages)
	Cubase
	Finale 3.0 (3 messages)
	Mac Notation advice
	Mac PostScript to DOS
	MIDI file spec
	Midi music file transfer
	MOD files
	Patch editiors/librarians
	Question about .MID file format
	ResEDIT sound editor (3 messages)
	S-COM
	SHAPED NOTE NOTATION SOFTWARE (3 messages)
	Songworks
	UK distributor for Dr.T?
	Wanted- DeFuria's MIDI Implementation Book

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Date:         Thu, 29 Jul 1993 12:54:22 -0400
From:         idealord 
Subject:      Bohlen-Pierce Scale in SY77/99 Sysex Format Available


Last night, I worked up a SY77/99 TG77 microtuning table implementing the
Bohlen-Pierce scale.  It's a very exotic tuning to say the least and anybody
who wants a copy of this Yamaha specific sysex file is welcome to it.  Just
drop me a line.

I've got a text file with cent listings if that would be helpful in
implementing the tuning to other synths...

See the comp.music discussion for more info...

Jeff Harrington
idealord@dorsai.dorsai.org

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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 09:44:06 -0400
From:         Jonathan Black 
Subject:      C

Hello everyone...

I have been planning for some time to learn the language C and the recent
discussions about Csound have further sparked my interest.  My question is:
Are there different "types" of C?  Turbo C, C++...  Is there a certain
compiler that stands above the rest and do any of these include tutorials?

If there is one form of C that is more suited for E-music than another could
someone please tell me.  Are they all basically the same?

Thank you in advance

                                        Jon Black
                                        jo_black@acad.lvc.edu

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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:26:48 -0400
From:         Joe McMahon 
Subject:      Re: C

>Are there different "types" of C?  Turbo C, C++...  Is there a certain
>compiler that stands above the rest and do any of these include tutorials?

Keeping the explanation short, C is one language, while C++ is a C-like
language with native object-oriented programming support. cmusic/csound are
both (as far as I know) written in plain old C.

Most everything else is support stuff; e.g. Turbo C is supposedly a faster
compiler, etc.

>If there is one form of C that is more suited for E-music than another could
>someone please tell me.  Are they all basically the same?
Depends on what you're trying to do. If it's just straight
compile-this-and-run-it, there's probably not a lot of difference other
than standard price-performance-support tradeoffs.

 --- Joe M.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 11:33:10 -0500
From:         Mark Clark 
Subject:      Re: C

Are we talking C for DOS, UNIX, OS/2, MAC System 7, whatever.
It depends on the machine and OS.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 18:22:04 GMT
From:         Martin Rootes 
Subject:      Re: C

> Keeping the explanation short, C is one language, while C++ is a C-like
> language with native object-oriented programming support. cmusic/csound are
> both (as far as I know) written in plain old C.
C is one language with two sepearte dialects, Kernighan and Ritchie C (the
original), and ANSI C (a few more bells and whistles, but some things have
changed). They are different, but most ANSI C compilers will have a switch to
allow the compilation of K&R C. cmusic/csound is probably written in K&R C.

> >If there is one form of C that is more suited for E-music than another could
> >someone please tell me.  Are they all basically the same?
I would suggest buying a C compiler that could handle both K&R and ANSI C.
Other than that the only other point may be to see if the supplied libraries
contain functions for controlling Music Hardware etc.

    Martin.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Jul 1993 09:27:59 GMT
From:         Martin Rootes 
Subject:      Re: C

I presume this should have been sent to the list, as I was not the person
asking about C - therefore have no knowledge of the target platform.

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Date:          Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:09:01 -0500
From:          maclark@halnet.com (Mark Clark)
To:            M.Rootes@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk
Subject:       Re: C

Almost all newer C compilers have full ansi support.  Many C++ compilers
will accept K&R and ANSI both as well.  What is the platform for the
compiled code?

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Martin

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Date:         Fri, 2 Jul 1993 13:37:45 CET
From:         Jacek Latanowicz 
Subject:      Re: Cubase

On Thu, 24 Jun 1993 16:34:22 -0400 Lester Longino said:
>I just read another note about someone switching from the Amiga to the PC to do
>sequencing.  I'm starting to feel sorta even more in the minority than before,
>since I still use my Amiga for sequencing.  I've just been wondering, have any
>of you Amiga users(if there are any of you out there) used Bars and Pipes Pro
>by Blue Ribbon Soundworks?  I've been using it for a while, and I love it.  Now
>I'm no "professional" musician, so maybe it isn't that useful for other people,
>but I've found it to be an extremely well thought out program, especially the
>funky user interface.  I'd just be interested to hear any comments about this
>program.
>
>I'm somewhat sad to see people leaving the Amiga... except for people who are
>using the Video Toaster, of course.
>
>One more thing:  I'm interested in buying a sampler for my Amiga 3000, but I
>don't know a thing about what's currently available and what's good.  I'd like
>a high-quality, stereo sampler, along with editing software that allows me to
>do all various sorts of effects.  Is there anything that would do effects in
>real time?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Les Longino
>lo95lr26@acs.wooster.edu

    Hay ! :-)

    Like I told once someone, don't ever put popularity of software over
the 'usefulness' that suits you. I am also one of few Amiga users that
are left , and looked forward to switch to PC. Amiga still gives ma all
that I need - I can easilly make sequences with KCS, store patches with
shareware's Midi Playground. I won't switch to PC unless I find KCS version
on PC (which probably doesn't exist).
     What's more there are roumors that Amiga's price and hardware will
fall in coming time, and system might be expandable to use well known
Bars & Pipes which won't work on basic version properly.

  Wish you luck in finding right choice,
 -old Amiga fan

  Jack L.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:47:58 GMT+7
From:         Eric Wuehler <$ERICW@SASB.BYU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Finale 3.0

Would somebody mind giving me a few of the likes/dislikes for Finale?
What are the hardware requirements?  What are the benefits/extras?
Please include *anything*.

Thanks in advance!


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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:14:41 -0500
From:         Kenneth Wayne Goodson 
Subject:      Finale 3.0

How did you get 3.0? I've been using 2.2 and have not received any mail
concerning upgrading to the new version. I knew it was coming out but
didn't know when. Thanks in advance.

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*Band Director/UIL Computer Science*705 Rabbit Blvd        *
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*(903) 796-4636 (home)             *(903) 796-7213 (office)*
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Date:         Wed, 21 Jul 1993 14:04:33 EDT
From:         Mark Simon 
Subject:      Re: Finale 3.0

I got Finale 3.0 by calling them up and asking for it. It costs $99 to
upgrade from 2.6. I don't know if it's any more if you have 2.2.
They didn't send me any mailing about it either. A computer science person
I know who also dabbles in music told me about it in January and said
it would probably be released in March. I called Coda in March and they
said it hadn't been released yet. Then a month or so ago I ran into the
same computer science person and he asked me "so what do you think about
the new Finale?". I said I didn't know but I wasn't going to lose any
time finding out. Now they're running ads for it in Keyboard and Electronic
Musician.  Well, they have a funny way of doing business. I would have
thought they would have let their customers know the very first thing.
Maybe their staff is too busy answering technical support calls. It always
takes me several tries before I ever reach them.

                      --Mark Simon
                        tip@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu

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Date:         Thu, 1 Jul 1993 16:06:41 -0600
From:         Mike Bishop 
Subject:      Re: Mac Notation advice

NOTE: Musicshop is NOT a notation package. I guarantee that if you want to
do something very elemental like move a note left or right on the page,
you will be frustrated.

Musicshop IS a sequencer with a "Notation View". You can edit your
sequence in notation view and then if you want to print it out, add a
title and some notes. It is a well-written program that is easy to use and
has some outstanding features.

I would not recommend it as a notation program, but would HIGHLY recommend
it as a sequencing program for those who (like me) don't have the bucks to
spend on Vision. And the best part is, that $150 bucks I spent goes
towards an upgrade to Vision!

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| Michael Bishop       |     "If you have an apple and I have an apple and |
|                      | we exchange these apples, then you and I will     |
| mbishop@linfield.edu | still each have one apple. But if you have an     |
|                      | idea and I have an idea and we exchange these     |
| Linfield College     | ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."      |
| McMinnville Oregon   |      -  attributed to George Bernard Shaw         |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 1993, Arne Claassen ISE wrote:

> Opcode currently publishes Mushicshop, which is the EZVision engine with
> a notation front-end. This, of course is only entry level. Development
> is also under way to bring out a similar notation front-end with the Vision
> sequencing engine behind it.
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Arne F. Claassen                            |
> |                                                     |
> | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion"                       |
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> .

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jul 1993 12:41:27 BST
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Mac PostScript to DOS

I have been reading the EMUSIC-L mailing list for a few weeks now but this is my
first go at a reply, so here goes

Kevin L. Moore writes

any word on how to transfer a mac-format postscript file to a
dos machine?  i've got a postscript laser printer at work and
a thousand PCs connected to it, but only one mac, and it's not
networked.

Answer:

When you File, Print, you can specify the destination as a PostScript file
instead of a printer

If you have a Mac with a 1.44 Mb floppy drive, you should have in your system
software a utility called Apple File Exchange.  If you run this, you can either
insert a PC floppy or insert a virgin floppy and it will offer to format it in
PC format.

At this point you get the PC floppy directory on the Right of the screen and the
Mac hard disc on the Left.  If you want to transfer a binary file use the
default translation.  For a text file Choose Mac to Mac to MS DOS or MS DOS to
Mac, depending on which you are going, and text translation.  Just accept the
defaults for spacing and carriage return linefeed handling.

A PostScript file is of course text but I think either text or default
translation should work.

NB you can only put a PC floppy in a Mac while running Apple File exchange,
otherwise it will ask if you want to initialise it.  There are third party
products which will do the job but AFE is free!

Steven Bramson

sdb@jet.uk

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Date:         Fri, 16 Jul 1993 08:54:14 BST
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      MIDI file spec

Kirk Corey asks where he can obtain details of the MIDI file spec

If you Email to listserv@auvm.american.edu with the body text including the
line

GET MIDISPEC PACKAGE

You get a set of MIDI specifications documents which includes the MIDI file
spec


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Date:         Wed, 7 Jul 1993 18:44:21 EDT
From:         Annie Lamonde 
Subject:      Midi music file transfer

Hello!

I would like to exchange midi files. I believe there is an internet address used
 for this [urpose
for this purpose.  If any of you can help me out please send me email at the
following address siince I am not on your listserv: LAMA01@ [D [D [D
Sorry let us try that again: lama01@uqah.uquebec, .ca

Thank you very much

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Date:         Fri, 2 Jul 1993 13:57:10 EST
From:         Doug Baker 
Subject:      MOD files

To anyone that knows : I am curious as to what is the most commonly
used utility to create .MOD files? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks..
-Doug

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Date:         Wed, 7 Jul 1993 11:06:26 EST
From:         Wen-Hao Chuang 
Subject:      Re: Patch editiors/librarians

>I am in the market for a universal IBM Compatible-PC based patch editor in
>either DOS or (DOS's-evil-twin/MacEmulator)Windows format.  I need a
>software package that allows full editing capabilities for multiple
>synthesizer platforms.  Please let me know what you all are using, along
>with price ranges so that I can make an informed decision about my upcoming
>purchase.
>Don V.
>address email to: DON_VINCENT@UNC.EDU

Dear Don:
I use X-OR for Windows for a long time, and it's still a useful program for
me. I don't know whether there's a new version of this program. BTW,
"Ballad" for DOS support patch editing, too. If you want to know more product
, I suggest that you can read the ad of "Keyboard" magazine.
Hope this will help.

Wen-Hao Chuang
Internet: unis353@twnmoe10.edu.tw
BITNET: unis353@bitnet.tw

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Date:         Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:38:25 -0500
From:         Kirk Corey 
Subject:      Question about .MID file format

Somewhere in the vast expanse of the internet, sitting on an anonymous ftp
site, there is a little document that describes the format of a .MID file.
I had it, printed out, decided I didn't need it, and removed all copies of
it from my computer and filing cabinet.  Now I need it, and I haven't the
slightest clue where I found it before, nor where I can find it again.
Can someone please give me a clue?

Note:  I don't need to know that 90-9f is note on, etc.  I already know
that.  I need to know what is stored as ASCII, what is not, and in what
order they are stored in a .MID file.

Note also:  Yes, I *did* say only hours ago that MIDI was as dead as
FORTRAN.  I'm not sending this file to a MIDI instrument.  I just want to
pass info between Finale and another program.  Owners of advanced flaming
technology may save it for a more deserving target...

Thanks very much.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dr. Kirk Corey                 [insert       Electronic Systems Administrator
kirk-corey@uiowa.edu          disclaimer                      School of Music
"When in doubt, mumble."        here]                  The University of Iowa

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Date:         Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:58:45 -0600
From:         Mike Bishop 
Subject:      ResEDIT sound editor

I was looking in the Macworld MUSIC and SOUND BIBLE (great book) and I saw
that supposedly somewhere out here there is an add on for ResEdit that
allows detailed editing of sound data. It was written by (Mike?) Reed.
The program's name was not listed as far as I know.

Does anybody 1) know the name of this utility and/or 2) know where I can find
it?

Thanks in advance,
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| Michael Bishop       |     "If you have an apple and I have an apple and |
|                      | we exchange these apples, then you and I will     |
| mbishop@linfield.edu | still each have one apple. But if you have an     |
|                      | idea and I have an idea and we exchange these     |
| Linfield College     | ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."      |
| McMinnville Oregon   |      -  attributed to George Bernard Shaw         |
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Date:         Wed, 14 Jul 1993 19:43:18 -0600
From:         Mike Bishop 
Subject:      ResEdit sound editor

I was looking in the Macworld MUSIC and SOUND BIBLE (great book) and I saw
that supposedly somewhere out here there is an add on for ResEdit that
allows detailed editing of sound data. It was written by (Mike?) Reed.
The program's name was not listed as far as I know.

Does anybody 1) know the name of this utility and/or 2) know where I can find
it?

Thanks in advance,

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| Michael Bishop       |     "Any technology sufficiently advanced is      |
| mbishop@linfield.edu | indistinguishable from magic."                    |
| Linfield College     |                                                   |
| McMinnville Oregon   |      - Aurthur C Clarke                           |
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Date:         Thu, 15 Jul 1993 08:59:52 -0400
From:         idealord 
Subject:      Re: ResEdit sound editor

>
> I was looking in the Macworld MUSIC and SOUND BIBLE (great book) and I saw
> that supposedly somewhere out here there is an add on for ResEdit that
> allows detailed editing of sound data. It was written by (Mike?) Reed.
> The program's name was not listed as far as I know.
>
> Does anybody 1) know the name of this utility and/or 2) know where I can find
> it?

Are you referring to SoundHack?  It's at Mills.  (ftp.mills.edu?).

>
> Thanks in advance,
>
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> | Michael Bishop       |     "Any technology sufficiently advanced is      |
> | mbishop@linfield.edu | indistinguishable from magic."                    |
> | Linfield College     |                                                   |
> | McMinnville Oregon   |      - Aurthur C Clarke                           |
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Date:         Fri, 16 Jul 1993 05:04:48 -0400
From:         Chris Gray 
Subject:      Re: S-COM

This thread has run a bit cold, but some 5 or 6 weeks ago I said I'd
been in correspondence with Symbolic Whatsits and would post their reply
if they were agreeable.  I just got their permission (with apologies for
the delay).

                               0\ /     \ /0
---------------------------snip  X  ---  X   snip----------------------
                               0/ \     / \0
Dear Chris,

Thanks for the note. Forgive the hype, but we do have to recoup several years
work on S-COM and it does sell to the commercial music world very much on the
strength of its association with fractals, neural nets etc. We need users like
Pete Townsend and Thomas Dolby (both using the system on current album
projects). But, it's also at CCRMA (Danny Oppenheim) and IRCAM.

S-COM is simply an expert-system for music compositon based on Common Lisp
(Mac), and Cambridge Lisp (Atari). You'll find most of the algorithmic tools
that have been developed since Isaacson and Hillier. If you are a composer who
wants to extend the potential of working with MIDI then its a significant and
powerful development. It's particular good for composers writing for human
performance who want to using the computer to process and connect
pre-composition material. I have used it for all my (very varied) professional
assignements for the last 2 years - everything from TV music (it's used on the
Bournemouth University TV Music course) to an extended work for wind orchstra
(for the RNCM). It's designed for musicians who want to access a programming
language and make music whilst they learn it. The tutorial and support
material addresses composers NOT programmers.

There is a detailed Hypercard Introduction (described by Martin Russ as
'excellent' in SOS earlier this year) if you want to know more. Let me have
your address if this interests you.

Good wishes - Nigel

                               0\ /     \ /0
---------------------------snip  X  ---  X   snip----------------------
                               0/ \     / \0

In the meantime I got a chance to browse through their hyperstack blurb
on a friend's Mac; although I was unable to listen to the MIDI samples
(my friend doesn't have MIDI manager), I was impressed by the amount of
thought that seems to have gone into the system, and I imagine anyone who
is into algorithmic composition from the structural (as opposed to sonic)
point of view would find it very interesting indeed.

- Chris
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Date:         Tue, 6 Jul 1993 08:25:25 CDT
From:         "Kevan L. Moore" 
Subject:      SHAPED NOTE NOTATION SOFTWARE

Does anyone know-of/have any notation software that is capable of
printing shaped notes (do re mi fa sol la ti) as well as lyrics?

************* PLEASE?????????????????????**************

klm

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Date:         Tue, 6 Jul 1993 22:55:01 -0500
From:         Kenneth Wayne Goodson 
Subject:      Re: SHAPED NOTE NOTATION SOFTWARE

Finale for Windows has a shape designer that you could use to produce
shaped notes.

Best Wishes
Kenneth Goodson
kgoodson@tenet.edu


On Tue, 6 Jul 1993, Kevan L. Moore wrote:

> Does anyone know-of/have any notation software that is capable of
> printing shaped notes (do re mi fa sol la ti) as well as lyrics?
>
> ************* PLEASE?????????????????????**************
>
> klm

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Date:         Wed, 7 Jul 1993 09:27:35 U
From:         Jack Blovits 
Subject:      None

Finale 3.0 for Macintosh is capable of shaped-note notation.  I have
yet to explore that avenue with it though.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Jul 1993 15:58:07 CDT
From:         "Kevan L. Moore" 
Subject:      Songworks

I've just bought (only on a trial basis) Songworks.  For the mac.
it claims to do shaped notes (i haven't gotten it yet) and produce
a Postscript file.

any word on how to transfer a mac-format postscript file to a
dos machine?  i've got a postscript laser printer at work and
a thousand PCs connected to it, but only one mac, and it's not
networked.

The only other software(s) i've seen that does shaped notes that
runs on the PC cost $295(+$95 shaped-note option) and $749 and
do far more than i need.   all i need is:

    1) Shaped notes
    2) 2 staves: Treble & Bass
    3) lyrics

i don't need 32-stave midi-transmit piano-roll automatic-bass stuff.

maybe it just doesn't exist, but i'm hoping posting this hoping that
someone out there will know a more appropriate list, maybe, than this
one to post this plea on.

thanks.  again.

klm

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Date:         Mon, 12 Jul 1993 10:28:36 -0400
From:         Chris Gray 
Subject:      UK distributor for Dr.T?

Anyone have an address for the UK distributor of Dr.T's KCS (etc)? I have
a tlephone number for some people called Zone Distribution, but this seems
not to work.

TIA,

Chris

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                                                         - Joe M.

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Date:         Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:12:00 EDT
From:         "J. KEITH OSTERTAG" 
Subject:      Wanted- DeFuria's MIDI Implementation Book

I'm looking to buy a copy of

        The MIDI Implementation Book, by Steve DeFuria, 1986

Anyone have a used copy they are interested in selling?

Does anyone know of an updated source for similar information? I am in the
market some used midi equipment and I remember DeFuria's book as an excellent
one-stop source for complete specs (though no evaluations) on many popular
pieces. It would be great if there were something similar dated around 1990 or
so.

Keith Ostertag, Access Services Librarian
Memorial Library, SUNY- Cortland
OSTERTAGK@SNYCORVA.BITNET   or   OSTERTAGK@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU
607-753-2528            fax: 607-753-5669

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