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EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 58, Issue 05

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	Where can I get electronic music on CD (9 messages)

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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:05:11 GMT
From:         Alan Semon 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

Adam Neil Villani (addam@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:

: BTW, is anybody else out there into Avant Garde stuff and unimpressed with
: John Cage's stuff. It's all pretty interesting, but it mostly sounds like
crap
: to me. IMHO, of course.

A long time ago, say 15 or 16 years, I saw a modern dance performance in Boston
which featured John Cage's music performed LIVE.  I don't recall if it was JC
himself, but rumour has it it was.  The "music" was difficult on the ears and
most assuredly difficult on the piano.

Needless to say, the dancing was equally as difficult on the eyes!

My SO at the time was a music major at Boston Conservatory of Music and
thought the music was ... "interesting" and the dancing was "unique."

I could not get out of the place fast enough.  That was my one and only
experience with Cage's music.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:51:32 -0500
From:         Joe McMahon 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

>Hello,
>
>I'm interested in finding out where I might be able to get my hands on
>CDs of early electronic music.  The record label Deutch Gramaphonne (sp?)
>had an LP of Stockhausen's classics Kontakte and Gesang der Junglinge,
>I'm not sure if it made it to CD.  Also I would like to hear Hymnen.
Here is the contact address for Karlheinz Stockhausen:

        Stockhausen Verlag
        Kettenberg 15                                               "
        51515 K"urten              ("u is for u umlaut, write ue or u)
        Germany

You should be able to get "Kontakte" and "Gesang" from here.

>Has much of the early electronic music of the 50s through 70s made it
>to CD?  Stuff like Subotnik, Babbitt, Xenakis, Luening, Ussachevsky,
>Schaeffer, etc.  all those guys who pioneered stuff like tape manipulation
>and new ways of sound synthesis and composition.

Yep. I still want Subotnick's "Sidewinder" on CD. Good stuff!

 --- Joe M.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:51:36 -0500
From:         Joe McMahon 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

>BTW, is anybody else out there into Avant Garde stuff and unimpressed with
>John Cage's stuff. It's all pretty interesting, but it mostly sounds like crap
>to me. IMHO, of course.

Try the Sonatas for Prepared Piano sometime. I happen to like them a lot.
Most of the stuff with David Tudor doesn't really do much for me either.
(Does anyone remember me mentioning that some percussion ensemble had
*recorded* 4'33"?)

 --- Joe M.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 16:10:07 EST
From:         Larry R Larson 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

>
> >BTW, is anybody else out there into Avant Garde stuff and unimpressed with
> >John Cage's stuff. It's all pretty interesting, but it mostly sounds like cr
ap
> >to me. IMHO, of course.
>
> Try the Sonatas for Prepared Piano sometime. I happen to like them a lot.
> Most of the stuff with David Tudor doesn't really do much for me either.
> (Does anyone remember me mentioning that some percussion ensemble had
> *recorded* 4'33"?)
>
>  --- Joe M.
>

or the early string quartet, or the late "Dances for orchestra", or ectt. etc.
etc.  A recording 4'33" actually makes sense, once you understand what he was
doing. Cage is to Babbitt (or Carter, or Wuorinen) as Debussy was to Brahms.
(BTW, I love Carter, Wuorinen,  and Brahms. ) Cage changed the way some of us
think of Music --  Feldman cannot be understood without him, for example.



The current Cage show (and it's catalog) at the L.A. Museum of Contemp. Art is
magnificent.

Larry Larson
Wexner Center for the Arts

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Date:         Tue, 2 Nov 1993 01:45:28 GMT
From:         Rikhardur H Fridriksson 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

>>Hello,
>>
>>I'm interested in finding out where I might be able to get my hands on
>>CDs of early electronic music.  The record label Deutch Gramaphonne
>>(sp?)
>>had an LP of Stockhausen's classics Kontakte and Gesang der Junglinge,
>>I'm not sure if it made it to CD.  Also I would like to hear Hymnen.

>Here is the contact address for Karlheinz Stockhausen:

>        Stockhausen Verlag
>        Kettenberg 15
???      51515 K"urten  ???         ("u is for u umlaut, write ue or u)
>        Germany

The disc you're looking for is called:

    Stockhausen 3: Electronische Musik 1952-1960.

This disc (and the complete Stockhausen lecacy) can be ordered from the
above address (though my sources list the post-code as 5067 K"urten. It
is accompanied by extensive program notes, to say the least.

Rikhardur H. Fridriksson


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Date:         Tue, 2 Nov 1993 05:00:01 GMT
From:         Robert Paul Martino Jr 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

In article <9311020145.AA02868@rvik.ismennt.is> Rikhardur H Fridriksson
 writes:

>>Here is the contact address for Karlheinz Stockhausen:
>
>>        Stockhausen Verlag
>>        Kettenberg 15
>???      51515 K"urten  ???         ("u is for u umlaut, write ue or u)
>>        Germany
>
>The disc you're looking for is called:
>
>    Stockhausen 3: Electronische Musik 1952-1960.
>
>This disc (and the complete Stockhausen lecacy) can be ordered from the
>above address (though my sources list the post-code as 5067 K"urten. It
>is accompanied by extensive program notes, to say the least.

Can I get this disc in the United States somewhere?  How much would
it cost to buy it from Germany?

Rob



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Worcester, Massachusetts         |       age, we ate wood and rocks!"- Ren
                             John 3:16

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Date:         Tue, 2 Nov 1993 11:28:32 GMT
From:         Rikhardur H Fridriksson 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

>>>Here is the contact address for Karlheinz Stockhausen:
>>>
>>>        Stockhausen Verlag
>>>        Kettenberg 15
>>> ???    51515 K"urten  ???         ("u is for u umlaut, write ue or u)
>>>        Germany

>>The disc you're looking for is called:
>>
>>    Stockhausen 3: Electronische Musik 1952-1960.
>>
>>This disc (and the complete Stockhausen lecacy) can be ordered from the
>>above address (though my sources list the post-code as 5067 K"urten. It
>>is accompanied by extensive program notes, to say the least.

>Can I get this disc in the United States somewhere?  How much would
>it cost to buy it from Germany?

You can probably get it in some of the big record shops, Tower Records
f.ex., or from stores that specialize in Classical music. Whether you get
it from there or from Germany, it's going to cost you dearly. I got in
Holland for 88 Guilders (ca. 50 US Dollars), roughly double the normal
CD price in Holland. Part of the reason for the price are the extensive
program notes (184 pages) that accompany the disc.

Rikhardur H. Fridriksson


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Date:         Wed, 3 Nov 1993 04:10:16 GMT
From:         Liam S Dunch 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

addam@cco.caltech.edu (Adam Neil Villani) writes:
>
> BTW, is anybody else out there into Avant Garde stuff and unimpressed with
> John Cage's stuff. It's all pretty interesting, but it mostly sounds like
crap
> to me. IMHO, of course.
>
I think, from my C20th music history courses, that Cage is interesting for
the way he approached composition, rather than for the aesthetic appeal of
the end product.  He was a true trail-blazer in the fifties and sixties
who liberated other composers from some of the artificial strictures they
had been working under.  He is particularly noted for his use of chance in
composition, and for his attitudes towards sound and what was appropriate
sound for a piece of 'music'.(e.g. his famous piece " 4'53" "; the
prepared piano pieces).

As to whether or not you like to listen to his music, I guess that's up to
your personal taste and experience, but I thought you might be
interested in the comments.

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 03:32:57 GMT
From:         Adam Neil Villani 
Subject:      Re: Where can I get electronic music on CD

In article ,
Liam S Dunch  wrote:
>addam@cco.caltech.edu (Adam Neil Villani) writes:
>>
>> BTW, is anybody else out there into Avant Garde stuff and unimpressed with
>> John Cage's stuff. It's all pretty interesting, but it mostly sounds like
crap
>> to me. IMHO, of course.
>>
>I think, from my C20th music history courses, that Cage is interesting for
>the way he approached composition, rather than for the aesthetic appeal of
>the end product.  He was a true trail-blazer in the fifties and sixties
>who liberated other composers from some of the artificial strictures they
>had been working under.  He is particularly noted for his use of chance in
>composition, and for his attitudes towards sound and what was appropriate
>sound for a piece of 'music'.(e.g. his famous piece " 4'53" "; the
>prepared piano pieces).
>
>As to whether or not you like to listen to his music, I guess that's up to
>your personal taste and experience, but I thought you might be
>interested in the comments.
Certainly. I like to think of John Cage more as a philosopher who worked
through music than a composer. I still like to listen to new Cage pieces,
just because they're all interesting things to be exposed to. I just wouldn't
really want to buy any of his stuff to listen to multiple times. Actually,
I like his three Constructions.

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Adam Villani
addam@cco.caltech.edu
"Passing time will reach as nature relays to set the scene
New encounters spark a true fruition
Guiding lines we touch them
Our bodies balance out the waves
As we accelerate our days
To the look in your eyes"  ---Yes,"Sound Chaser"
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