issue08

EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 58, Issue 08

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	Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... (8 messages)

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Date:         Tue, 16 Nov 1993 14:40:15 -0600
From:         Arne Claassen ISE 
Subject:      Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

Ok, so it is only somewhat music related, but it should be a common plague
to Mac-MIDI users. I'm trying to get rid of Appletalk. I first thought that
i'd just disable it and leave it be, but the bastard turns itself back on
upon reboot. Now, i've come to the conclusion that, not having a printer
or modem on my music Mac, i want to kill Appletalk, eradicate it from my
system and give me a little more RAM to play with as an added bonus. But
since Appletalk does not come up with an extension, i have yet to figure
out how you scrape that leech of my system.

Yes, i am frustrated. Everytime i reboot, the bastard is back...
--
Arne F. Claassen                 |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4
     | E pluribus Moo"  | Mac Centris 650
              |                  |

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Date:         Wed, 17 Nov 1993 13:11:00 GMT
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

Arne Claassen writes

Ok, so it is only somewhat music related, but it should be a common plague
to Mac-MIDI users. I'm trying to get rid of Appletalk. I first thought that
i'd just disable it and leave it be, but the bastard turns itself back on
upon reboot. Now, i've come to the conclusion that, not having a printer
or modem on my music Mac, i want to kill Appletalk, eradicate it from my
system and give me a little more RAM to play with as an added bonus. But
since Appletalk does not come up with an extension, i have yet to figure
out how you scrape that leech of my system.

Yes, i am frustrated. Everytime i reboot, the bastard is back...

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Try Apple menu, chooser, bottom right - Apple Talk, click on inactive.
I'm not sure if this survives a restart.

Also you can remove AppleShare from System Folder, Extensions Folder.  This
allows you to do file sharing between Macs.

All of the above assumes you are running System 7.


 Steven D Bramson    Data Management Group   JET Joint Undertaking
 Abingdon     Oxfordshire              OX14 3EA     United Kingdom
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 Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET

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Date:         Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:51:48 CST
From:         John Eichenseer 
Subject:      Appletalk

>Ok, so it is only somewhat music related, but it should be a common plague
>to Mac-MIDI users. I'm trying to get rid of Appletalk. I first thought that
>i'd just disable it and leave it be, but the bastard turns itself back on
>upon reboot.

Are you running System 7? I thought this was changed with System 7 Tune-up,
so that Appletalk remembers its state. You might want to check out a
utility called "AppleTalkOn", which is not exactly what you want, but may
help. It is available at the usual mac ftp sites (info-mac, etc.). Here is
an excerpt from the README:

"This is an application extension ('appe') which does almost nothing but
idle until it is quit, which usually only happens when you Restart or
Shutdown your Macintosh. At this time, AppletalkOn will examine the current
state of Appletalk and turn it on.  It will also save the state of
AppleTalk and optionally restore that state when you boot up next time.

"The reason this extension is necessary is that, starting with System 7
TuneUp, AppleTalk does not load into memory if it is off at startup time.
This requires you to turn AppleTalk on and then restart. This is annoying
at best, and thus was born AppleTalkOn."

hope this helps,

jhno

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Date:         Wed, 17 Nov 1993 11:25:43 -0600
From:         Arne Claassen ISE 
Subject:      Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

> Try Apple menu, chooser, bottom right - Apple Talk, click on inactive.
> I'm not sure if this survives a restart.
>
> Also you can remove AppleShare from System Folder, Extensions Folder.  This
> allows you to do file sharing between Macs.
>
> All of the above assumes you are running System 7.
>
>  Steven D Bramson    Data Management Group   JET Joint Undertaking
>  Abingdon     Oxfordshire              OX14 3EA     United Kingdom
>  E-mail sdb@jet.uk   Voice 0235 465 013           Fax 0235 465 399
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>  JET is Europe's fusion research project
>  Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET

Ah, once again, i forget to give sufficient information for people to help me.
Forgot to mention, that yes i am using System 7 and no the inactivating
Appletalk in the Chooser did not work. Of course i'd already dumped appleshare
and various other things, only to have just found out that that seems to have
been the problem. I reinstalled appleshare and now, if i deactivate appletalk
from the chooser it appears to stay dead. I'm still using 2.5MB for my system
which is annoying, especially when Musicshop decides to kick in virtual
memory. (crawl, stagger, stagger, crawl, crawl)
Thanks anyway...

--
Arne F. Claassen                 |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4
     | E pluribus Moo"  | Mac Centris 650
              |                  |

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Date:         Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:30:54 PST
From:         "John M. Stokes" 
Subject:      Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

Glad to see you worked out you Appletalk prob.

Perhaps I can help on freeing up some more system memory. Perhaps you already
know this, but there is a large number of rather useless things in your system
folder, which you can drag out and cut down the amount of RAM those critters
eat up.

Just make a folder titled "Discontinued Items" or something similar that you
understand and drag into it the following items:
-Apple menu items: Do you ever use things like the notepad or scrapbook?
t
Then take 'em out! They're only eating memory.
-Control panels: Any Panels you don't use (like that "Map" thing)? Pull it.
-Extensions: If you don't have an express modem, pull all the stuff that
applies to it out of the Extensions folder (Control Panels too) also, any other
extension you don't use often or think you can live without.
-Fonts: Here's the biggie. Unless you're doing serious printings from the
desktop or TeachText, you don't need half the fonts you've got in the system
folder. You'll notice that there is a font file for every SIZE of every font,
not just every font. You don't need all those sizes in there since the Mac
can calculate and bit map a new font size. They're just in there to make the
fonts look better (a computer calculated resizing doesn't look as good as an
original in that size). I believe 12pt. is the most versatile size and will
give you the best looking resizings. So, pull everything out of the font folder
except the "1
2pt." files of the fonts you want.

Hope this helps!

-John Stokes
Stokesj@biola.edu

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Date:         Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:24:44 +0100
From:         Hmeljak Dimitrij 
Subject:      Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

>Just make a folder titled "Discontinued Items" or something similar

I think this is not a good idea:
if you put everything in int, youdon't use,
then you'll end with a folder full of fonts, cdevs, ...
I use Extension Manager 1.8 by Ricardo Batista,
it's (c) Apple 1990-1992 and you find it for free on most ftp sites.
It makes all the job of creating folders for control panels, fonts,...
for you, and you can have many configurations.
Try it!

As for fonts eatng ram, I don't think so. THey eat disk space, but they
are loaded in RAM only when you need them.
Just try to measure any difference of free RAM with or without them.
Better, read the files:System 7 Pack!, Sys 7.1 Notes, ...
you'll find them on sumex-aim or other sites.
And also desk acc's usually don't eat RAM. This applies to notepad, scrapbook
and others. System extensions eat memory! Closeview, MacTCP, AutoDoubler :)
there is one thing to look:
I don't find wise to use a big disk buffer like >128K and then
your applications use virtual memory couse ram is all full.
Better, try to boot without any not indispensable extension,
virtual memory off and a modest buffer. My System RAM Use is approx.
2MB with AppleTalk ON! And I have all the fonts I like in the System Folder.

hope it helps...
Dimitrij Hmeljak
hmeljakd@uts340.univ.trieste.it

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Date:         Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:09:54 -0600
From:         Arne Claassen ISE 
Subject:      Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

Thanks for the Memory reduction tips for Mac. I've pretty much pulled everything
i don't use out, although i still ahve various versions of true type and adode
fonts hanging around. They've got to go...

Update on my Appletalk. I think it is fixed, although the first time i started
up last night, it was on again. I had a couple of restarts that night, but it
stayed off. It's still a mystery to me..

--
Arne F. Claassen                 |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4
     | E pluribus Moo"  | Mac Centris 650
              |                  |

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Date:         Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:05:21 PST
From:         "John M. Stokes" 
Subject:      Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die...

Extension manager sounds like a good idea, I did not know of it.

As to the "Discontinued" folder, obviously, you're not restricted to one. You
can make as many as you want to organize  the various discontinued items. The
point is to get them out of their respective folders, where the system looks
for them, so the system doesn't use them.

As to fonts eating memory, I believe the system fonts do (though it may be
marginal- I'm not sure how much RAM they actually use) since those are the
fonts used by your system applications (the desktop, DA's, and others) and
hence are (I believe) loaded into RAM with the system. Any application - based
fonts are loaded when you boot that application, obviously, which is why
eliminating system fonts wouldn't affect them.

The best idea is to try booting with and without those fonts and see how much
difference it really makes.

Naturally, your extensions and Control Panels are going to be the biggest
memory munchers. Use as few as you need.

John Stokes
Stokesj@biola.edu

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