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EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 58, Issue 21

This issue's topics:
	
	Acorns (3 messages)
	any insight on SIMMs for K2000? (2 messages)
	Art FXR info requested
	Clavinova and Cubase
	commodore 64 (5 messages)
	ensoniq mirage help needed! (3 messages)
	Help to find a synth!
	Help to find a synth!    .

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Date:         Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:57:00 GMT
From:         MACDONAN@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject:      Acorns



  Help...... Does anyone know of exciting, creative, interesting music
             software for the Acorn/Archimedes computers - MIDI or otherwise

 Thanks in advance        Alistair MacDonald

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Date:         Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:26:07 +0000
From:         S L Gilbey 
Subject:      Re: Acorns

>
>   Help...... Does anyone know of exciting, creative, interesting music
>              software for the Acorn/Archimedes computers - MIDI or otherwise
>
>  Thanks in advance        Alistair MacDonald
>

I can't say how exciting, creative or interesting it is, but there are a
few PD/shareware music-related programs for Archimedes available via ftp
from hensa.micros at Lancs university including a demo version of Notate.
If you're not familiar with HENSA already, mail me directly and I'll give
you the details.

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Date:         Fri, 12 Nov 1993 23:19:14 +0000
From:         "Richard W.E. Furse" 
Subject:      Re: Acorns

In article <935711205700@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> MACDONAN@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
writes:

>
>   Help...... Does anyone know of exciting, creative, interesting music
>              software for the Acorn/Archimedes computers - MIDI or otherwise
>

   Well... There was a reasonable sequencer package called !Inspiration. It
was full of bugs but if you treated it gently sometimes it would go for days
without losing anything. RISCOS 3 killed my version last year and in spite of
having the address & phone number of the programmer's parents I still haven't
got a real reply to my request for an upgrade... Other people assure me it
doesn't exist. Anyway, 'Pandora' is out of business. The only other sequencers
I've seen are a package by a company called EMR which is a rip-off of PRO24,
and 'Serenade.' Serenade is by a company beginning with C - I think it's
Clares. As the best sequencer available for the Arc, 'Serenade' is VERY poor.
It is vastly inferior to !Inspiration even with bugs and bares no comparison
with serious software for other machines. Also, to access and print Serenade
scores you need 'Rapsody' and 'ScoreDraw' which means over 300 pounds. And
for some bizarre reason Serenade pauses for minutes after loading a
composition before handing control to the user.
   The absence of a decent sequencer is glaringly obvious in the Arc world -
it's a shame that the likes of Computer Concepts have not done anything about
this. I spoke to one of their programmers who claims that a number of the in-
house programmers are enthusiastic about the idea - why isn't the management
encouraging them?

   On the good side, there's someone out there thinking of bringing out a
sub-600 sound card based on Kurzweil sampler-player chips. (CD resolution,
32 channels & I think it was around 6meg of sample.)

   And... the package that convinced me to hang onto my machine for the
moment was the discovery of a wonderful package called Sibelius 7. It is a
WYSIWYG score-engraving system of remarkable quality designed for professional
music publishing. It's written in Arm code by two Cambridge musicians. Why?
I've not a clue - They could have written it in C and ported it and made a
fortune. There are cheap and expensive versions (around 150 and 800 I
think) and they are beautiful to use. They will play via MIDI but as yet do
not read MIDI files.

   There are other things going on - I have a friend who is working on a
system that plays Roland W30 songs - samples and all. He has also persuaded
the Arc outputs to pretend to be 13bit purely by software.

(I hope all this information is correct - it's all off the top of my head.)

--
R

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Date:         Sat, 20 Nov 1993 00:36:10 -0600
From:         Mark Swann 
Subject:      any insight on SIMMs for kurzweil

i ve found that the 4mg SIMM from a dealer is about 400$, however,
the clone maker that put my 386 together says thats ridiculous and that
he can get them for 150,, plus I called custom services, in resido, ca.
(kurzweil gave me their number) and they have them for 114$..
the dealer I go to has competitive prices with 'mail order'
distributors on most other items...
ANYWAY,, i found that it is a 4x8-10  SIMM,  4 layer,,
'macintosh' compatible really doesnt mean that much.. its the speed
and layer that counts,,,has anyone run into this ??
the dealer says he will put it in ,, he doesnt care where the chip is
from..   svann..

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Date:         Mon, 22 Nov 1993 00:17:00 GMT
From:         Richard Morey 
Subject:      any insight on SIMMs for

MS>i ve found that the 4mg SIMM from a dealer is about 400$, however,
MS>the clone maker that put my 386 together says thats ridiculous and that
MS>he can get them for 150,, plus I called custom services, in resido, ca.
MS>(kurzweil gave me their number) and they have them for 114$..
MS>the dealer I go to has competitive prices with 'mail order'
MS>distributors on most other items...

Simms are wierd.. the speed (70ns, 80ns, etc) changes price.. faster,
which actually has a lower xxNS number (70 is faster than 80 because it
is a waitstate measurement) is more expensive. Also, layout, changes a
little. A 1x9 simm which is a one meg sim with nine chips as opposed to
a 1x3 is more expensive.. I think that has to do with each of the chips
checking the memory partiy or something, but I'm not sure..

Also, I just recently bought some simms and I was told at a couple of
places that their was a fire in some factory in Japan that makes some
part of the simms. Now, weather this is a story made up to justify uping
the price or weather it is true, I do not know..
---
. OLX 2.2 . I Am, Therefore, I Think?

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Date:         Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:30:24 -0600
From:         Arne Claassen ISE 
Subject:      Art FXR info requested

 just got the new Electronic Musician with their >$250 Christmas Gala, from
which i've already added up about a $1000 worth of items to be had.

They mentioned the Art FXR which seemed to be a nice unit for the price and
used as a supporting FX unit. A friend of mine, who does sound production
hates Art equipment because of their noisyness, but then again he hates
Alesis equipment for the same reason. Has anyone had experience with this
unit?

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     | E pluribus Moo"  | Mac Centris 650
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Date:         Fri, 12 Nov 1993 20:25:41 GMT
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Clavinova and Cubase

I wrote a letter to Yamaha concerning my Clavinova, including the fact that
you can only get live data transmitted on MIDI out, that is keyboard
presses, sustain, voice changes etc.  They sent me back a letter saying
that there is an undocumented feature:

Hold down "MIDI/Transpose" and press the "Drum" voice select button.

This sends out 'performance' data on MIDI out.  This means you can use the
built in sequencer on the Clavinova (I find this physically more
convenient than moving between computer and keyboard which are some
distance apart), then play back your sequence and record it on your
Mac/PC/Atari sequencer.

Q1: I am using Cubase 1.01 for Windows.  When I record a sequence, all MIDI
channels appear on one track.  I can use multi-record to split it in real
time between 4 tracks, but I still get 2 MIDI channels on each track for an
8 part/channel sequence.  Any suggestions as to how I can split a track by
MIDI channel during editing, other than slavishly highlighting each part,
cutting and pasting to a new track?


Q2: If I start Cubase recording, then hit the Clavinova start button, it
might be a little out of synch with the Cubase metronome.  How can I either
a) shift the whole recording in time by a small amount, or
b) make the Clavinova MIDI out control timing/synch?


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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:30:21 +0000
From:         Russell 
Subject:      Re: commodore 64

On Sat, 30 Oct 1993, damian wrote:

> thank you for your answer. i still have some doubts about what you said.
> i have searched through some keyboards and this is what i found,
>  dr. t copyist, dr. t sequencer 3.5, ece midi interface,
> master tracks pro, midi quest generic editor. do any of these work on a c64.
> do you know prices. which is the best, are there others.
> is there any interface that works with a c64 as well as a pc or mac.
> whats the name of the 80-dollar interface you have.
> damian

 Damian, nothing that works on a C64 will work on an Amiga, and visa versa.
except the co-axial arial lead.
 Also, no hardware/software that works on a C64 will work on a PC or MAC.
The problem is that they all use (except Amiga, Mac) different processors.
And, the pin-out conections are different.
 I would advise you to buy a second-hand A500 (Amiga) which should cost
approx 100 pounds. Then you have access to lots of PD (public domain)
software aimed towards music (a good one is OctaMed, athough the newest
version will cost you).
 The prices for the items mentioned above cost on average 50 pounds, and
no they don't work on a C64.
 Saying that, there may well be a midi package floating around for the
commodore 64, but I've no idea how you'll find it.

Gavin Russell.

University of Herforshire. England.

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Date:         Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:41:45 GMT
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Re: commodore 64

On Sat, 30 Oct 1993, damian wrote:

> thank you for your answer. i still have some doubts about what you said.
> i have searched through some keyboards and this is what i found,
>  dr. t copyist, dr. t sequencer 3.5, ece midi
interface,
> master tracks pro, midi quest generic editor. do any of these work on a
c64.
> do you know prices. which is the best, are there others.
> is there any interface that works with a c64 as well as a pc or mac.
> whats the name of the 80-dollar interface you have.
> damian

Gavin Russell replied


 Damian, nothing that works on a C64 will work on an Amiga, and visa versa.
except the co-axial arial lead.
 Also, no hardware/software that works on a C64 will work on a PC or MAC.
The problem is that they all use (except Amiga, Mac) different processors.
And, the pin-out conections are different.
 I would advise you to buy a second-hand A500 (Amiga) which should cost
approx 100 pounds. Then you have access to lots of PD (public domain)
software aimed towards music (a good one is OctaMed, athough the newest
version will cost you).
 The prices for the items mentioned above cost on average 50 pounds, and
no they don't work on a C64.
 Saying that, there may well be a midi package floating around for the
commodore 64, but I've no idea how you'll find it.

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I would suggest you have a look at an Atari (or is this sacrilige for a
Commodore owner).  They are cheap and have the advantage of a built in MIDI
 interface and a large range of music software.  If you can afford it, have
a look at a PC.  You get a lot of power for the money once you get to a
486.

 Steven D Bramson    Data Management Group   JET Joint Undertaking
 Abingdon     Oxfordshire              OX14 3EA     United Kingdom
 E-mail sdb@jet.uk   Voice 0235 465 013           Fax 0235 465 399
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 Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET

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Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1993 22:51:27 EDT
From:         damian 
Subject:      commodore64

hi,
i have been gatheringinformation on c64 from the emusic-l.up to now, nobody was
 able to tell me names of interfaces and software for it.
may be you could tell me something about your experience with c64.
right now i do not have money to buy another computer.
my aim is to connect it with the korg m1 to be able to compose and create sound
s.
thanks a lot for any ideas you can give.
damian
ps: i will ask my sister in usa to buy an interface for me, that is why i need
specific information.

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Date:         Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:05:48 EST
From:         Paul Pizzi 
Subject:      commodore64

> i have been gatheringinformation on c64 from the emusic-l.up to now,
> nobody was able to tell me names of interfaces and software for it.
> may be you could tell me something about your experience with c64.


Steinberg used to make a c64 MIDI interface back in 1983-84. I believe
they've discontinued it fo
r a while but you may come across one somewhere.



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Date:         Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:23:25 LCL
From:         Anthony Arviola 
Subject:      Re: commodore64

   hi,
   i have been gatheringinformation on c64 from the emusic-l.up to now, nobody
was
    able to tell me names of interfaces and software for it.
   may be you could tell me something about your experience with c64.
   right now i do not have money to buy another computer.
   my aim is to connect it with the korg m1 to be able to compose and create
sound
   s.
   thanks a lot for any ideas you can give.
   damian
   ps: i will ask my sister in usa to buy an interface for me, that is why i
need
   specific information.


I do know that a company called Passport used to make such a device.
A friend of mine bought one in 1986.  He also bought some software called
PowerStation for the Commodore 64/128.  For a 64, this software was really
good considering it was a C64.  It pretty much had a lot of the features
that sequencers have today but no graphics.

I do believe that there were compatibles to the Passport, just as there
are for the mpu 401 by Roland.  I believed that the Powerstation Sequencer
required a Passport compatible.

I also briefly used a notation software from Firebird software, but it was
very limited.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Tony

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Date:         Wed, 24 Nov 1993 17:11:01 GMT
From:         Carl Virtanen 
Subject:      ensoniq mirage help needed!

HI...
  I'm relatively new to this list so am not sure if this is common
knowledge. I have an ensoniq mirage with both masos and sound process boot
disks.  What i need to know first of all is if these companies still sell
these boot disks. If not, i'm worried about the day when those little 3.5's
decide to die on me leaving me with a ton of sample disks and a new boat
anchor. Is there a way to make backups??  I mean, gheesh, i have the
originals but just want to protect my investment by making a backup! I
have access to a whole range of computers (atari st, pc dos, mac, sgi) if
that helps. Is there a shareware program (or purchased) that will copy
these for me? My disks aren't getting younger and every time i use them i
think they might fizzle (esp. during a crucial time of course). Thanks for
any help.

karl

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Date:         Thu, 25 Nov 1993 13:24:32 CET
From:         Jack Latanowicz 
Subject:      Re: ensoniq mirage help needed!

On Wed, 24 Nov 1993 17:11:01 GMT Carl Virtanen said:
>HI...
>  I'm relatively new to this list so am not sure if this is common
>knowledge. I have an ensoniq mirage with both masos and sound process boot
>disks.  What i need to know first of all is if these companies still sell
>these boot disks. If not, i'm worried about the day when those little 3.5's
>decide to die on me leaving me with a ton of sample disks and a new boat
>anchor. Is there a way to make backups??  I mean, gheesh, i have the
>originals but just want to protect my investment by making a backup! I
>have access to a whole range of computers (atari st, pc dos, mac, sgi) if
>that helps. Is there a shareware program (or purchased) that will copy
>these for me? My disks aren't getting younger and every time i use them i
>think they might fizzle (esp. during a crucial time of course). Thanks for
>any help.
>
>karl


                Hay !

   To copy such disks You need an copier that will have 'nibble copy'
which copies a disk physically. There are copiers on Amiga, but they
won't be good because of 850kB disk capacity. (Yours probably are HD
-1.44MB)
   Try to locate some nibble copiers for PC.

Hope this helps.

Jack L.

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Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 20:26:57 PST
From:         "John M. Stokes" 
Subject:      Re: ensoniq mirage help needed!

Howdy, Karl...

I believe APS technologies has the type of copy program you may need available
with their PowerTools software. I believe it's called DiskImage, and the
different versions will copy a disk directly, irrespective of format. (Each
version is designed to handle either DD or HD diskettes, respectively). I've
never actually used it, so I can't vouch for its usefulness.

What you need to find is someone with a Macintosh and an APS or Quantam
 HardDrive. If they have this HardDrive, chances are they have the software.

-John

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Date:         Fri, 12 Nov 1993 07:46:00 -0500
From:         Ken Halfon 
Subject:      .

Hi,

   I was wondering if someone can reccomend a low end (MIDI) Keyboard
that would be velocity sensitive. (or perhaps the least expensive
keyboard that would support all the normal midi perameters.) I would
also like full sized keys. Ok all you musicians out there what should
I get?

   I made a BIG mistake two years ago by selling my DX-7. I can't
afford another of those (though I would dearly love one) but I do
believe there must be something in my price range. (< $300)

   Any help would be appreciated.

                           ->>> KEN <<<-
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Date:         Sun, 14 Nov 1993 03:18:58 EST
From:         Paul Pizzi 
Subject:      Help to find a synth!    .

> there must be something in my price range. (< $300)

Pretty hard to find anything with a keyboard for that price
(apart from Casiotones...)

You can find on the used market a Kawai K1 for that sum, I
believe. The sounds are a bit on the crude side but the keyboard
is adequate, touch responsive and fully MIDI implemented.

Or else, if you can live without DSP, multitimbral operation, full
MIDI etc. there are plenty of old keyboards in that price range:
Yamaha V2 (tx81z with a keyboard), Roland D10/20, Korg 707, Casio
CZ1000 etc. Just listen to them and pick the one you like best...





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