issue23

EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 58, Issue 23

This issue's topics:
	
	'Score' Notation Program
	.MID VS. .WAV
	dumb midi playback programs
	Finale upgrade 3.0.1 (3 messages)
	HELP WANTED w/ MIDI sequence conversion
	Info
	Kawai software
	Mac utility to create sound files for PCs?
	Midi Download
	Midi I/F
	Midi Scan (3 messages)
	Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r (3 messages)
	MIDI vs WAVE file (5 messages)
	MIDI VS. WAVE file (4 messages)
	Misc. Product Info
	Misc. Product Info. (3 messages)
	Monitor Headphones (5 messages)
	MPU 401 (2 messages)
	MPU 401 Book (INFO requested by Dan Schaaf)
	Proteus
	Q: Yamaha E-mail address?
	Rhodes-660, U20 Clone?
	Soundblaster
	SY85
	Theremin (2 messages)
	Triggering Keyboards (2 messages)
	Using Proteus & MasterTrax Pro
	Wave Blaster... (2 messages)
	Yamaha (2 messages)

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 18:50:51 CST
From:         FA19000 
Subject:      'Score' Notation Program

I have heard that 'Score' for the PC is the only notation
program from which music publishers like Peters and Boosey
& Hawkes will accept manuscripts.  I have heard that it is
easier to use than Finale.  Does anyone have experience with
this program?  Janice Saffir Northeast MO State Univ.  Kirksville


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Date:         Sat, 6 Nov 1993 05:13:53 -0700
From:         "WEN-PING CHENG, COMPUTER INFORMATION SYSTEM, ASU" 
Subject:      Re: .MID VS. .WAV

Hi,

This is Jessica, the woman who asked questions about the difference betweem MIDI
files & wave files.  I would like to thank you all for giving me so much
information about the question.  It helps very much, and I really appreciate
that.

By the way, will anyone tell me how to find "FAQ"?  Cause I've just joined this
for one week, I still have much to learn.  Sorry about that.

Again, thank you for your time and help.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:16:13 GMT
From:         james lowell noxon 
Subject:      Re: dumb midi playback programs

I tried to get the notes to cut out, but I was unsuccessful.
I agree that the processor on the MPU card does off-load some of
the work by calculating the note off times ( I think ? ). The serial
port interfaces don't do any of this work as I understand it.
Other midi-philes may find different results as my use is atypical.
I play jazz, using the sequencer as a recorder:
        I never use the metronome - drummer hears no click
        I leave the tempo set at 100 ( Cakewalk default )
        the resulting midi files are not 'lined-up' with bar lines
        thus the files are un-printable as music, unless the fit-improvisation
function is used, or the barlines are dragged into place via MIDI-paint.

--
PJ Noxon - aka - Park James Noxon
president of MIDIMIX - inventor of the midi merge
jnoxon@indiana.edu

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Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:56:44 +0100
From:         Gonzalo Torrente Ballester 
Subject:      Finale upgrade 3.0.1

I am a Finale 3.0 user. I've been told that there's an upgrade to 3.0.1,
but it seems impossible for me to get it in Spain.

Can anyone inform me how to get it via Internet?

Alvaro Torrente
torrente@rs6000.usal.es

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Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1993 05:41:37 EST
From:         Paul Pizzi 
Subject:      Finale upgrade 3.0.1

> I am a Finale 3.0 user. I've been told that there's an upgrade to
> 3.0.1, but it seems impossible for me to get it in Spain.

Finale 3.0.1. is a maintenance update, practically it just fixes some minor
but rather annoying bugs found on some newer machines. If you're using an
older machine you shouldn't bother too much (and by "older" I mean you got
your mac 6 months ago :-) ).

As far as I know Coda Music Software keeps track of all international users
and if you've sent in your registration card you can phone or fax them and
I'm sure they'll tell you the fastest way to get your update (I got mine few
weeks after I upgraded to v.3.0 in the form of a small program that
automatical-
ly updates your installed software.)


Here are the numbers:
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tel.(612)-937 9611
fax (612)-937 9760

If you wanna reach'em via email:

cdolan@aol.com


I hope it's enough. :-)





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Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:49:36 -0500
From:         Mark G Simon 
Subject:      Re: Finale upgrade 3.0.1

> Finale 3.0.1. is a maintenance update, practically it just fixes some minor
> but rather annoying bugs found on some newer machines. If you're using an

My Mac is a IIsi vintage 1991 and Finale 3.0 was making it crash all over
the place when doing speedy note entry from a MIDI keyboard. When I
called Coda to complain they sent me MIDI Manager which they said would
fix the problem, which it certainly did. MIDI Manager also made it
impossible to run Performer, so I was in the position of having to take
MIDI Manager in and out of the system folder and restart the machine each
time I wanted to go from Finale to Performer or vice versa. Finale 3.0.1
fixed that and now I've unceremoniously dumped MIDI Manager to the trash
can. 3.0.1 also makes the staff and note expressions menus draw
themselves much more quickly (hooray).

Anyway I think it's the model of the Mac, not the age, that determined
whether Finale 3.0 acted buggy or not.

--Mark Simon
  mgs2@cornell.edu

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Date:         Sun, 14 Nov 1993 19:42:58 GMT
From:         Dan Stratton 
Subject:      HELP WANTED w/ MIDI sequence conversion

Hello All,
As a favor to a friend in Florida, I need to know how to convert general
MIDI sequence file from a ROLAND SD35 to use it on a YAMAHA
PSR5700. My understanding is that the files were originally made with
a PC and need to be converted to use with a Mac -something about
converting MIDI files 1Us to 0Us. This is really out of my range of
experience, but I am trying to help a friend. E Mail any suggestions to
stratton@cwis.unomaha.edu
Thanks,
Dan
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Date:         Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:08:53 MET
From:         Schuster Richard 
Subject:      Info

  could someone tell me what exactly is the midi file format and
 for what it is good for?

 thanx!

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Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 13:52:00 GMT
From:         Michael J Snell 
Subject:      Kawai software

As one of the increasing hordes with a home PC, a long standing
interest in electronic music and a wish to develop
this interest into a (low cost) hobby I recently purchased a
second hand Kawai K4r module, PSR 300 keyboard and a midi card.
I'm having great fun with this set up but would like to get
hold of a DOS or Windows patch editor for the Kawai.
Does anyone know an ftp site or any other source where one
might be found?
Also, I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago a list
specifically for Kawai. Anyone with details?
Many thanks
Mike Snell

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Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 00:44:41 EST
From:         "David A. Roth" 
Subject:      Mac utility to create sound files for PCs?

Does anyone have or know of a Mac utility to create sound files that
can be played on a PC?

Thanks in advance,

David
david@roth-music.com

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Date:         Sat, 20 Nov 1993 13:08:14 -0500
From:         Phil Somebody-or-another 
Subject:      Midi Download

Hey, how's it going.   I am running a korg a-4 effects processor.  After
programming the effects, it is possible to dump them to a midi filer, so that
the programs can be re-loaded in event of the processor crashing.

I don't have  a midi filer, but I have the turtle beach multisound card and
a bunch of sequencing and composition software.  Is it possible to send the midi
   data from the processor directly to the computer, and have IT write the data
   to
a file?

thanks,

Phil
SPS5251@SIENA.BITNET

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Date:         Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:17:53 -0800
From:         Dave Adams 
Subject:      Midi I/F

Help,   I'm  new to the internet so please excuse any blunders.  My question
is this.  Is there a tech kind of person out there that can show me how to
make an Interface From a Pro Audio Spectrum 16 board in a PC to a standard
midi interface?  ..tia.  Dave

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Date:         Sun, 21 Nov 1993 12:20:23 EST
From:         David Harris 
Subject:      Midi Scan

     I am interested in buying software to translate musical scores into
midi programs (standard midi format).  I have heard of only one such program,
MidiScan.  Has anyone had any experience with this program, of seen any
reviews of it published?   Know of any alternatives for the IBM PC?
     Thanks.

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Date:         Mon, 22 Nov 1993 07:54:08 PST
From:         Bill Felton 
Subject:      Re: Midi Scan

I have a copy of MidiScan, and can report that it does indeed work.  I'm pretty
pleased with it, in fact.  [Perhaps the secret to being pleased with it is to
keep your expectations down, though... ;-> ]  Like all OCR programs, it is not
perfect in its recognition -- fermatas tend to be recognized as whole notes,
two eighth note rests one above the other can be recognized as a 2/2 time
signature, etc.  But its no worse than any other OCR scheme, either -- figure on
fixing between 1 and 4 'elements' per musical line, per staff.
The best piece of advice I could give would be to get a full page scanner rather
than a hand scanner for creating the tiff files of the score.  The hand scanner
 is
a *REAL* pain!!
The recognition is slow-ish (minutes per page, even on a 66mhz 486), but the
editing facilities allow pretty quick and easy fix-up of 'mis-recognized'
 elements
and the subsequent creation of the midi output file is very fast.

Enjoy!
Bill

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Date:         Mon, 22 Nov 1993 09:06:39 -0800
From:         Doug Wellington 
Subject:      Re: Midi Scan

David Harris writes:

>     I am interested in buying software to translate musical scores into
>midi programs (standard midi format).  I have heard of only one such program,
>MidiScan.  Has anyone had any experience with this program, of seen any
>reviews of it published?   Know of any alternatives for the IBM PC?


MIDIScan is indeed the only program that does this.  Of course, if you're
a good piano player and have a MIDI keyboard, it would probably be faster
to just play it into something like Encore, Music Printer Plus, or (painful)
Finale.  I have a demo of MIDIScan, and I'll get it uploaded sometime this
week (before Thanksgiving).  It really is the only way to fly for those of
us who don't play keys and want to get sheet music into MIDI.

Email me if you want flyers or prices, etc.
(Try doug@arizona.edu or doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov)

-Doug
Music Supply and Repair Service
2710 N. Paseo Tierra Verde
Tucson, AZ 85749 USA
(602) 760-0425

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Date:         Tue, 23 Nov 1993 16:12:00 LCL
From:         Don Vincent 
Subject:      Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r

I hope that someone on the list can give me some advise.  I am trying to
get an Oberheim Matrix 6R to respond to Midi Volume Control Messages
coming in from a master keyboard.  All my other gear is responding
properly to volume changes sent out by the master keyboard--only the
Matrix is not responding at all.  I have read through the Matrix's
documentation, but it has not been much help.  I want to be able to
increase/decrease volume at will from the master keyboard, and ultimately
through Cakewake for Windows.

If no one know how to help me with my specific problem, can you perhaps
put me in touch with some kind of technical support number/list server
for Oberheim equipment?

Thanks for your help.

Don V.

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Date:         Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:42:52 PST
From:         metlay 
Subject:      Re: Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r

>I hope that someone on the list can give me some advise.  I am trying to
>get an Oberheim Matrix 6R to respond to Midi Volume Control Messages
>coming in from a master keyboard.  All my other gear is responding
>properly to volume changes sent out by the master keyboard--only the
>Matrix is not responding at all.  I have read through the Matrix's
>documentation, but it has not been much help.  I want to be able to
>increase/decrease volume at will from the master keyboard, and ultimately
>through Cakewake for Windows.

To do this, you must program volume control directly into every patch
you wish to control in that manner. In other words, you must assign
a modulation of VCA envelope depth or overall VCA level by a lever
or pedal, and assign that lever or pedal to work on CC 7 in the MIDI
page. Unless the Matrix-6 is fundamentally different from the Xpander
in this regards, there is NO global MIDI volume control-- a feature
I miss, but which you can learn to live without or even turn to your
advantage (I've found it useful to be able to control my Xpander's
volume level with CCs other than 7).

>If no one know how to help me with my specific problem, can you perhaps
>put me in touch with some kind of technical support number/list server
>for Oberheim equipment?

If you DO find out a working number for Oberheim, let me know. I run
a small mailing list for Xpander and Matrix-12 users (not matrix-6
or 6r or 1000, sorry) and I can't keep up with Obie's address changes,
phone number changes, and wafflings between life and death.

And as for a list server, the only company that has one in the MI
industry is Waldorf. Nice idea, but most companies wouldn't want
to waste the time on it and give no support to the many third-party
lists out there.

--
mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com
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Date:         Sat, 27 Nov 1993 21:28:00 PST
From:         Loren Nerell 
Subject:      Re: Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r

Don - I use to work at Oberhiem back when the 6r was new and as I remember the
Matrix 6 and 6r did not have midi volume control. The way that i use to do it
was by assigning one of the pedals to volume instead of the normal setting. The
only problem with this is you have cahnge this in every patch in the matrix if
you want this to be uniform. You can change the pedal settings in the master
edit section, under midi they sould be numbers 06 and 07.You sould also check
which souftware version you have as they released some updates. The last
version that I remember is 2.13.
   As far as contacting Oberhiem, Gibson bought out what was left about three
years ago. they moved everythin back to there main headquarters soem time last
year, so give them a call.
    If you need any more help feal free to ask.
- Loren Nerell   estuzs3@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
> I hope that someone on the list can give me some advise.  I am trying to
> get an Oberheim Matrix 6R to respond to Midi Volume Control Messages
> coming in from a master keyboard.

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:38:54 GMT
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Re: MIDI vs WAVE file

Jessica writes:

I am doing a project of multimedia presentation using Windows software now.
I would like to know the difference between a MIDI file (FILE.mid) and a
wave
file (FILE.wav), and the pros and cons of MIDI files vs. wave files.  Hope
that this question would not be too naive, since I am still a novice in
this field.  Any precious feedback to this topic will be very appreciated.

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A .WAV file is like a tape recording of a sound.  WAV files can either be
mono or stereo.  They can also be 8 bit (OK) or 16 bit (better).  WAV files
are big, 10 Mbytes per 16 bit stereo minute or 2.5 Mbytes per 8 bit mono
minute.  The only thing that affects the sound is the quality of the
soundcard and speakers.

A .MID file is a sequence of instructions such as note on (together with
pitch and loudness), note off, select an instrument voice (e.g. piano,
clarinet etc.), move a control such as sustain or pitch bend etc.
Accompanying the instructions is timing information.  MIDI files are much
smaller than WAV files.  A ten minute piece with several simultaneous
voices might only be a few tens of kilobytes.  To play a .MID file you need
to use either a sound card with built in tone generation (most sound cards
have this) or the MIDI interface on a sound card  or a dedicated MIDI
interface together with a MIDI cable and a MIDI instrument, either a
keyboard or an expander (an expander is a just a tone generator without any
keyboard that can only be used through MIDI).  MIDI files in general will
sound very different on different soundcards and different MIDI expanders
or keyboard instruments.  If you have a piece of software called a
sequencer, this allows you to read a MIDI file and change the types of
voice used, change the pitch and duration and volume of individual notes.

Hope this is helpful

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 16:16:11 +0000
From:         Russell 
Subject:      Re: MIDI vs WAVE file

On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Steven D. Bramson wrote:

>
> ....
> A .WAV file is like a tape recording of a sound.  WAV files can either be
> mono or stereo.  They can also be 8 bit (OK) or 16 bit (better).  WAV files
> are big, 10 Mbytes per 16 bit stereo minute or 2.5 Mbytes per 8 bit mono
> minute.  The only thing that affects the sound is the quality of the
> soundcard and speakers.
>
> ....

 The amount of memory required per minute isn't only dependant upon the
bit size, but largely affected by the sample rate.
 Its possible to sample a sound in 8bit that sounds better than one in
16bit, theoretically its possible to sample a sound in 2bits that could
sound better than a 16bit sample, but, to do this you would have to
sample at rates in the 1000KHz approx!!

 Gavin Russell, csed3bz

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 16:21:31 -0700
From:         john krikawa 
Subject:      Re: MIDI vs WAVE file

Jessica, you're lucky you're a woman, because if I asked these guys the
same question, I'd be torched....burnt up....'go read the FAQ'..nag, nag.
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Date:         Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:45:43 CET
From:         Jack Latanowicz 
Subject:      Re: MIDI vs WAVE file

On Fri, 5 Nov 1993 16:21:31 -0700 john krikawa said:
>Jessica, you're lucky you're a woman, because if I asked these guys the
>same question, I'd be torched....burnt up....'go read the FAQ'..nag, nag.
>                                                      _
>-john       ___                                    __/ |
>___        |   |     JKrikawa@CCIT.Arizona.Edu    |    |___      ________
>   \______/     \__________ Tucson, AZ ___../\./\/         \____/        \____


  Hi,

  You can always pretend You are one. Switch on to Julia Krikawa and here
You go... :-))

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Date:         Tue, 9 Nov 1993 10:47:21 -0500
From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" 
Subject:      Re: MIDI vs WAVE file

john krikawa writes:
>
> Jessica, you're lucky you're a woman, because if I asked these guys the
> same question, I'd be torched....burnt up....'go read the FAQ'..nag, nag.
>                                                       _
John, I hope I've not been guilty of this. I've tried to answer questions when
could - I just don't always have enough time here at work. Please know that
I'm not ignoring you when you post a question, I just usually don't have time
to answer.

I don't believe that this stuff is addressed specifically in the files on
castrovalva. I'd certainly appreciate anyone who'd be willing to digest their
expertise into a document doing so - I'll put it on castrovalva straightaway.

 --- Joe M.

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:53:22 -0700
From:         "WEN-PING CHENG, COMPUTER INFORMATION SYSTEM, ASU" 
Subject:      MIDI VS. WAVE file

Hi,

I am doing a project of multimedia presentation using Windows software now.
I would like to know the difference between a MIDI file (FILE.mid) and a wave
file (FILE.wav), and the pros and cons of MIDI files vs. wave files.  Hope
that this question would not be too naive, since I am still a novice in
this field.  Any precious feedback to this topic will be very appreciated.

Thank you for your help.

Jessica

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:10:57 +0000
From:         Russell 
Subject:      Re: MIDI VS. WAVE file

On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, WEN-PING CHENG, COMPUTER INFORMATION SYSTEM, ASU wrote:

> I am doing a project of multimedia presentation using Windows software now.
> I would like to know the difference between a MIDI file (FILE.mid) and a wave
> file (FILE.wav), and the pros and cons of MIDI files vs. wave files.  Hope
> that this question would not be too naive, since I am still a novice in
> this field.  Any precious feedback to this topic will be very appreciated.

 A .midi file or .mid file contains only data representing the pitch/speed
and other aspects of a tune but no waveforms. The .wav files, as you may
have guessed, contains waveform data. You will find, mostly, that .wav
files are considerably larger, depending on resolution, than .mid files.
 Pros and cons.

 .wav files are used to either sample whole sections of tunes, or to
record repetetive areas of the tune. This way the datas already recorded
and only need to be replayed.

 .mid is used for synth gear.

 Hope this helps!! (its just a little tricky to explain)

Gavin Russell,

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 08:47:13 EST
From:         Bill Fox 
Subject:      Re: MIDI VS. WAVE file

Hi Jessica,

A MIDI file can be thought of as a player piano roll in that it
describes note events.  It requires a sequencer program to output these
events and, of course, a synthsizer to actually play the sounds.  (This
can be a keyboard, sound module, or PC card.)

A wave file is digitized sound like on a CD.  It requires hardware (a PC
card) to convert the digitally coded sound back into analog, suitable
for an amplifier and speaker to play.

Bill Fox

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 10:43:55 -0600
From:         brickman jonathan 
Subject:      Re: MIDI VS. WAVE file

Hi, Jessica.  Basically, a MIDI file is a file which a sequencing
program can read, and a .WAV file is an actual sound data
file.  A sequencing program, by the way, is a program which
runs a keyboard (musical) built for MIDI.  The sequencing
software loads the MIDI file, and sends MIDI "events" (key-
presses, drum beats, sound type changes, etc.) to the
keyboard for the actual sound reproduction.  Hopefully I
didn't confuse you even more!
||Jonathan E. Brickman

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Date:         Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:41:19 GMT
From:         Rikhardur H Fridriksson 
Subject:      Re: Misc. Product Info

>  We are considering
> purchasing the following products, and would appreciate any
> information anyone might have on them, i.e., where to purchase, plus
> any miscellaneous product information or alternative recommendations:

> Mark of the Unicorn Digital Waveboard

As far as I know the only software supporting the Digital Waveboard is
Digital Performer. Consider AudioMedia II from Digidesign (or even Sound
Accellerator II). These cards are (so far) more standard and any
software producer serously considering professional sound support will
implement connections to the Digidesign cards, rather than MOTU's
Digital waveboard. This might change, of course, but this is the
situation today.

> We are also ordering a Macintosh Centris 660 AV, a Macintosh LC520

I'm not familiar with these special types of Macs, but if you want to
use DSP cards, you should make sure they can actually take a standard
full-length NuBus card. Normally the LC series computers use some
special cards, and some of the newer computers, can only take
full-length NuBus cards if you tear out the hard disk. Check this before
you buy.

Rikhardur H. Fridriksson


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Date:         Mon, 22 Nov 1993 15:48:35 GMT
From:         "David G. Bowie" 
Subject:      Misc. Product Info.

Hello Computer Music Wizards

        THERE IS SUCH A MAZE OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE!!  We are considering
purchasing the following products, and would appreciate any
information anyone might have on them, i.e., where to purchase, plus
any miscellaneous product information or alternative recommendations:

Roland DJ70 keyboard
Mark of the Unicorn Digital Waveboard
Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer sequencer Macintosh software
Beachtron - sound spacialization
Beachtron - music interface (Midi (Next Step)
MAX music software for the Mac ("music dataflow?")
NEXT music sequencer software

        We are also ordering a Macintosh Centris 660 AV, a Macintosh LC520, an
Opcode Midi interface and cables, a Sony DAT walkman, and a vtr
stereo, and the Japanese and English versions of a book, MACWORLD
MUSIC AND SOUND BIBLE.  One of us also owns an Ensoniq KS-32.

        We are faculty advisers to a group project on COMPUTERS AND MUSIC
at a new computer science college here in Japan.  Our students are
freshman college students who are aspiring musicians, but have little
or no experience or knowledge of the potential applications.
We advisers are also not very knowledgable in this specialized area
either, although we know a little bit about Midi, synthesizing, and
sequencing.  One of us is a physics professor, and the other an English
professor with years of professional pianist entertainment experience.  Our
project budget is quite ample, but we are experiencing bureaucratic
paperwork nightmares, huge markups of products sold in Japan, and the
problem of having to wade through brochures written in Japanese, which
we have very little fluency in.

        Any help or recommendations would be really appreciated.  You can
reply to this newsgroup, or reply through e-mail.  Thanks in advance!!

Sincerely,

Professor James M. Goodwin - james-m@u-aizu.ac.jp
Professor David G. Bowie - bowie@u-aizu.ac.jp

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Date:         Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:59:45 PST
From:         metlay 
Subject:      Re: Misc. Product Info.

>Hello Computer Music Wizards
>
>        THERE IS SUCH A MAZE OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE!!

Tell us about it. :-\

> We are considering
>purchasing the following products, and would appreciate any
>information anyone might have on them, i.e., where to purchase, plus
>any miscellaneous product information or alternative recommendations:
>
>Roland DJ70 keyboard

Heavens! Why would you want to buy a DJ-70 for serious academic work?
It is very expensive and has relatively costly memory upgrades, and
has only a few "cute" features in its favor. It is unclear to me what
you hope to do with the DJ-70, but unless you are planning on running
raves and dance parties I cannot think of an application where it
would be a superior keyboard for your money. Depending on the precise
needs you have, there are many better choices: better samplers, much
better control keyboards.

>MAX music software for the Mac ("music dataflow?")

That's as good a description of it as I have ever seen. MAX is a serious
tool, and will require a great deal of work to get going, but once it does,
you will find it a wonderful and incredibly powerful program!

>We are also ordering a Macintosh Centris 660 AV, a Macintosh LC520, an
>Opcode Midi interface and cables, a Sony DAT walkman, and a vtr
>stereo, and the Japanese and English versions of a book, MACWORLD
>MUSIC AND SOUND BIBLE.  One of us also owns an Ensoniq KS-32.

Hmmmm. The LC520 is a nice new machine. Very compact. But if you don't
need the CD-ROM player or stereo speakers built in, and ONLY want to
do MIDI, you can spend about half the money and get a Color Classic,
which is just as good. Also, be very careful about mixing Opcode
interfaces (and the Opcode OMS program, which must be installed to use
them) with any kind of Performer. The two will work together, but not
always seamlessly, and for a large system your chances to get in
trouble multiply quickly. I would advise either getting a MOTU
interface to go with your MOTU software (like a MIDI Time Piece II),
or, as someone else has advised, bypassing the Digital Waveboard and
Digital Performer in favor of an AudioMedia board and an OMS-
compatible sequencer/audio program like Cubase Audio or Studio Vision.

>     We are faculty advisers to a group project on COMPUTERS AND MUSIC
>at a new computer science college here in Japan.  Our students are
>freshman college students who are aspiring musicians, but have little
>or no experience or knowledge of the potential applications.
>We advisers are also not very knowledgable in this specialized area
>either, although we know a little bit about Midi, synthesizing, and
>sequencing.  One of us is a physics professor, and the other an English
>professor with years of professional pianist entertainment experience.  Our
>project budget is quite ample, but we are experiencing bureaucratic
>paperwork nightmares, huge markups of products sold in Japan, and the
>problem of having to wade through brochures written in Japanese, which
>we have very little fluency in.

Sounds incredibly cool! If I'd known that there were jobs like this
out there, I wouldn't have begrudged MY physics PhD so much. 
I wish you all the best, and would be glad to answer any further
questions you might have, either here or via email.

--
mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com
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Date:         Sun, 28 Nov 1993 18:46:19 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell 
Subject:      Re: Misc. Product Info.

>Heavens! Why would you want to buy a DJ-70 for serious academic work?
>It is very expensive and has relatively costly memory upgrades, and
>has only a few "cute" features in its favor.

And has no serious mass-storage or offline editing (no SCSI). Cute machine,
worth around $300 IMHO. Not worth $2500. Can't you import a K2000 from the
US?

>Hmmmm. The LC520 is a nice new machine.

LC520? You mean the st00pid television set thing? Avoid.

>Also, be very careful about mixing Opcode
>interfaces (and the Opcode OMS program, which must be installed to use
>them) with any kind of Performer.

If you're going for MAX (and I strongly recommend it) then you're best
going for OMS as well (which I also strongly recommend). You can still use
a MOTU interface (such as an MTP-II like the one I have here) but that
requires MIDI Manager, some plumbing, and a still-unreleased MTP driver. I
would suggest that you go for Opcode stuff all the way.

>I wish you all the best, and would be glad to answer any further
>questions you might have, either here or via email.

Ditto, but not right now; I'm performing next week and have to do all the
music again...

                        Nick Rothwell   |   cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
     CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance   |   cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 11:23:11 +0800
From:         Chia Poh Hwa Andy 
Subject:      Monitor Headphones

Hi! I just want to seek some advice regarding what are the things that I
should look out for if I want to get a pair of monitor headphones. What
is the difference between the normal stero headphones (sennheiser,
sony,...) and the "real" monitor headphones???

Thanks!

ANDy

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Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 22:43:24 -0500
From:         Robert Thompson 
Subject:      Re: Monitor Headphones

The differences are many:

comfort (long wearing)
bandwidth (frequency response)
power output....

etc etc

I am a big fan of AKG K240 Monitor Headphones - they have newer versions
out (250 I think...)  Look them over...I think you will be impressed.

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 11:41:44 +0100
From:         Hmeljak Dimitrij 
Subject:      Re: Monitor Headphones

well I had to buy some headphoes to use them drumming,
to have tempo beat and sync with the sequencers on live performances.
So they had to be 'closed' type, with a wide dynamic range
and confortable!
Before I used she small Sennheiser with yellow things...
now I have Koss Studio Pro/99 and they are very good!
A lot of power, wiiide response to basses and high freqs,
very confortable, etc etc

I can only recommend them.

Dimitrij Hmeljak
hmeljakd@uts340.univ.trieste.it

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:15:21 EST
From:         Brian Good 
Subject:      Re: Monitor Headphones

>
> Hi! I just want to seek some advice regarding what are the things that I
> should look out for if I want to get a pair of monitor headphones. What
> is the difference between the normal stero headphones (sennheiser,
> sony,...) and the "real" monitor headphones???

Probably mostly hype.  For monitoring, you'll need phones that are more
robust than *some* consumer models (e.g. Stax electrostatics sound
wonderful, but in my experience they're marginally reliable for home
use, let alone hard studio use).  I've not owned Sennheisers for some
time, but remember thinking they were a bit shrill.  Until last month
I used AKG 140s, which were so-so sonically--the bass was soggy and there
was too much of it.  I'm using middle-of-the-range Grados now.  They're
quite detailed and have tighter bass than the AKGs, but I haven't had them
long enough to form a definitive opinion.

One thing to consider--if you're going to be doing studio montoring where
you're trying to hear yourself amidst other live players, you might
want to get phones with good isolation;  an over-the-ear type like an AKG
will be better at this than an on-the-ear type like a Sennheiser.

brian good
bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov
bsgood@aol.com

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 19:30:27 +0000
From:         Russell 
Subject:      Re: Monitor Headphones

On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Chia Poh Hwa Andy wrote:

> Hi! I just want to seek some advice regarding what are the things that I
> should look out for if I want to get a pair of monitor headphones. What
> is the difference between the normal stero headphones (sennheiser,
> sony,...) and the "real" monitor headphones???

 I find, when buying headphones, the single most inportant factor is the
frequency range supported by the headphones. I got a nice pair some time
ago that cover 10Hz - 29Khz. This keeps the sounds crystal clear.
 Its also good to find a set that allow little leakage in/out of the
headphones.

 Hope it helps.

Gavin Russell

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Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 07:07:48 EST
From:         dan schaaf at heath 
Subject:      MPU 401

Does anyone know where a description of functionality and programming for the
MPU 401 card might be found?

Thanks.

Dan S.

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:54:54 GMT
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Re: MPU 401

dan schaaf asks ..

Does anyone know where a description of functionality and programming for
the MPU 401 card might be found?

-----------------------------

I got hold of an MPU 401 technical specification from Roland UK for 8 UK
pounds.

 Steven D Bramson    Data Management Group   JET Joint Undertaking
 Abingdon     Oxfordshire              OX14 3EA     United Kingdom
 E-mail sdb@jet.uk   Voice 0235 465 013           Fax 0235 465 399
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 JET is Europe's fusion research project
 Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET

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Date:         Tue, 30 Nov 1993 07:57:43 AST
From:         Howard Harawitz 
Subject:      MPU 401 Book (INFO requested by Dan Schaaf)

Hi --

Hello Dan Schaaf --

There's a book called "C Programming For MIDI" by Jim Conger that probably
has what you want in it. It was published by M & T Books in Redwood City,
California and copyrighted 1988.

If you can't locate the book, you might try Roswell Computer Books here in
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.  It's an online computer bookstore that sells
to people all over the world. Roswell's internet address is:

                       roswell@fox.nstn.ns.ca

Howard
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Date:         Tue, 23 Nov 1993 17:46:00 BDB
From:         PUCPR@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Proteus

Hello all !!

Does anybody have experience with PROTEUS VINTAGE KEYS ?

Is it a good gear ?

And about the price in USA ?

                                                   Thanks

                                                            Tarso

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Date:         Sun, 21 Nov 1993 00:42:21 EST
From:         JOHN ALBERT PINION 
Subject:      Q: Yamaha E-mail address?

Does anyone know an e-mail address for Yamaha?
Thanks

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Date:         Mon, 15 Nov 1993 16:20:07 -0800
From:         "Michael A. Dalton ADP OPuS" 
Subject:      Rhodes-660, U20 Clone?

I am interested in first hand factual
info anyone might have about differences
between the Rhodes 660 (mfr'd by Roland)
compared to the Roland U20. I know they are
based on the same basic components, but I
am not certain as to *specifically* how they differ.

Any reliable feedback will be appreciated....Thanks!


--
+---------------------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Michael A. Dalton    miked@plaza.ds.adp.com | "What I say to you, I say to   |
| CIS 71410,2624  Voice: (503) 294-4200 x2541 |  everyone: Watch!" -Mark 13:17 |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 18:33:25 GMT
From:         "Steven D. Bramson" 
Subject:      Soundblaster

>From bu@etud.dauphine.fr:
>I've just got a soundblaster and I'm looking for some software to make
>music with.
>All names of ftp servers for such software would be greatfully received.
>--Thanks

Try winjammer from FTP.CICA.INDIANA.EDU, also try FTP.CS.RUU.NL for MIDI
song files.

 Steven D Bramson    Data Management Group   JET Joint Undertaking
 Abingdon     Oxfordshire              OX14 3EA     United Kingdom
 E-mail sdb@jet.uk   Voice 0235 465 013           Fax 0235 465 399
------------------------------------------------------------------
 JET is Europe's fusion research project
 Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET

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Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:37:02 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell 
Subject:      Re: SY85

>Does the SY85 lack FM synthesis?

Yes.

>   So, which synth would YOU buy if you were me? (taking account of
>my needs)

Waldorf MicroWave.

                        Nick Rothwell   |   cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
     CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance   |   cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk

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Date:         Tue, 9 Nov 1993 11:25:16 EST
From:         Keith Maynard - CCC 
Subject:      Theremin

Hi Folks,

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Leon Theremin, recently referred to in
 these discussions, died today in Moscow at the age of 97.

Keith Maynard

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Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1993 06:33:56 PST
From:         metlay 
Subject:      Re: Theremin

>Hi Folks,
>
>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Leon Theremin, recently referred to in
> these discussions, died today in Moscow at the age of 97.

AIEEEE! :( :( :(

I'll say Kaddish for him this Friday night. What a loss to the electronic
music community! Geniuses like Theremin are treasures to humanity, and
we will not appreciate them fully until they're gone, it seems....

God, what a depressing way to start a Wednesday. :(

--
mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com
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Date:         Mon, 22 Nov 1993 17:52:08 EST
From:         "McCafferty, Roderick" 
Subject:      Triggering Keyboards

Hey, I just picked up a Turtle Beach Multisound and I'm looking for a
keyboard I can use to trigger the card via MIDI.  I need something of
proffessional quality for triggering only and it needs to be economical
too.Any sugestions?
Thanks, Rick FSU

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Date:         Mon, 22 Nov 1993 17:43:07 -0600
From:         Arne Claassen ISE 
Subject:      Re: Triggering Keyboards

> Hey, I just picked up a Turtle Beach Multisound and I'm looking for a
> keyboard I can use to trigger the card via MIDI.  I need something of
> proffessional quality for triggering only and it needs to be economical
> too.Any sugestions?
> Thanks, Rick FSU

Pretty much every large company in the MIDI business is now making a simple,
yet powerful MIDI controller. Roland, Korg, Yamaha, are a few names. The only
one i've actually used (and found to be just as good as the ones that come in
most full-fledged synths is the PC-200 (which is now the PC-200 mk II). The
former can sometimes be found for less than $200 on the net, while the new one
and most simple (computer oriented) keyboard controllers run about $300 from
most mail-order. Also, you usually will find a better price for something like
that through a computer mail-order place instead of a music mail-order place.

--
Arne F. Claassen                 |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4
     | E pluribus Moo"  | Mac Centris 650
              |                  |

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Date:         Wed, 17 Nov 1993 12:36:28 GMT
From:         "Dipak M. Patel, x7738" 
Subject:      Using Proteus & MasterTrax Pro

Hi all,

I was wondering how I can access all the sound in my module from MasterTrax
(for the
Mac).  The sound module is not general MIDI or GS.  Do I have to do some
special
mapping or something?

Dipak Patel
dpatel@motown.ge.com

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Date:         Sun, 21 Nov 1993 17:23:23 +0100
From:         "Frederic Montoya,CIRIL,," 
Subject:      Wave Blaster...

Hi,

I've got a SB16 ASP with the Wave Blaster option. Is there any
public domain software to use the full feature of the MT32
synth ? I have the cakewalk apprentice version delivered with the board
but the control of the MT32 is fairly limited.

Thanx in advance.
Frederic.

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Date:         Sun, 21 Nov 1993 22:48:02 -0400
From:         "ANDREW \"MICHEALANGELO\" YOUNGER" 
Subject:      Re: Wave Blaster...

Hi Frederic,
I notice that you have the ASP and the Wave Blaster options for your SB16.
I just have the SB16 but have options on both the Wave Blaster and the
ASP chip. COuld you tell me a bit about them? And also are they worth getting?
What does it add to the board? What is the software like? Etc.
Thanks
Andrew

AYOUNGER@ac.dal.ca

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Date:         Thu, 4 Nov 1993 12:56:48 +0000
From:         Russell 
Subject:      Yamaha

 Can someone tell me how to join the yamaha specific group?


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Date:         Fri, 5 Nov 1993 03:45:00 EDT
From:         Arthur Friedman 
Subject:      Re: Yamaha

I use a Yamaha PSR-500m keyboard and am also interested in
joining a "Yamaha specifi group."  Does one exist.
Thank you for any information.  Regards, Art...

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