issue05

EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 68, Issue 05

This issue's topics: Recording
	
	Data and Audio DATs
	Recordable CD's
	Pinnacle CD-recorder
	recordable CD-ROM prices
	4-tracking
	Sony DAT?
	4-tracking
	01/w mailing list
	4-tracking
	Digital Audio
	4-tracking
	OSC (deck) on the net?
	4-tracking (3 messages)
	ALESIS 8track ADAT (2 messages)

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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:03:33 LCL
From:         "Colin T. Smith" 
Subject:      Re: Data and Audio DATs

Prices for recordable CD's have come way down from the $30.00 quote Arne said.
 When my office first started using CDR the prices were around $20.00 and that
 was about 6 months ago.  In the most recent issue of Mix magazine an ad in the
 classified section has listed TDK blank CD's for $11.50 for 63 minute blanks
 and $12.60 for 74 minute blanks.  If this is the case than maybe we will start
 seeing the price of consumer CD's start to come down as well

Colin

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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:22:35 EDT
From:         Ray Brunelle 
Subject:      Re: Unknown subject

Pinnacle just lowered the price of their RCD-202 recordable CD drive by
$1000. This should bring the street price somewhere around $2000 or under.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:46:45 -0500
From:         Brian Adamson 
Subject:      Pinnacle CD-recorder

At 10:22 AM 9/12/94, Ray Brunelle wrote:
>Pinnacle just lowered the price of their RCD-202 recordable CD drive by
>$1000. This should bring the street price somewhere around $2000 or under.

Hi Ray,

 do you have a phone number/ address for Pinnacle ... I'm looking to put
together a system to make CD-ROMs and/or audio CD's and was looking for
something affordable (< $10K for software & everything)  I've talked to the
folks at Youn Minds but haven't known where to look for much else.


thanks,


Brian
___________________________________________________________________
R. Brian Adamson                    Information Technology Division
adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil            Naval Research Laboratory
NRL Code 5523                       Washington, DC 20375

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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 08:55:54 EDT
From:         Scott Lehman 
Subject:      Re: recordable CD-ROM prices

I friend of mine found these prices.  I don't know anything about
software or hardware to write them though.


Better Business Systems
7949 Woodley Avenue, Van Nuys, CA 91406
          10        50      100
QuadSpeed 23        22      21
74Min     12        11      10
63Min     11.50     10.50   9.50

1-800-697-9993

Media Factor, Inc.
1930 Junction Ave
San Jose, CA 95131

         Verbatim         Generic      DIC Digital
63        15                12            13
74Min     15.75             13            14

1-800-879-9536


scott

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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:00:43 -0500
From:         The Digital Witchdoctor 
Subject:      4-tracking

Hey guys...I recently picked up a tascam 424 4 track to record some
of my work.  I have programmed most of the drums,. and some of the bass.
My basic problem is that I can't get a really decent bass sound out of
my synth, and some of the lines are out of my playing ability (otherwise,
I wouldn't bother with the synth).  My drum tracks arfe pretty good, if a
tad mechanical.

My question is twofold.  One, how can I edit this bass to make it sound
human (humane?) enough to send to tape.  Two, I am afraid to send the
drums and bass through my korg a4 guitar effects processor for fear
of ovberloading the unit?  Is this an unfounded fear?

as faras equiptment goes, I am running a 486 under windows, and emu proteus
1/xr, and the korg, along with various mic's and amps.

thanks for any help you can provide

regards
Phil
SPS5251@siena.bitnet

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:21:22 -0400
From:         "Keith C. Perry" 
Subject:      Re: Netophelia

>          I am thinking of getting the SONY TD-7 DAT to go along with it but
>they are really expensive here (about $1000, in Paris).
>     Speaking of the Proteus 1/xr, It is a great unit BUT!!.... Everybody and
>their grandma has one now.  If you want to sound original stay away, if you
>just need some good sampled sounds to write songs with, then it is a good deal.
>........later!!! marc


Ok, thanks.  BTW- I've used the TCD-7 Portable DAT player and although I've
never used that TD-7 based on how I feel about the portable unit, I'd say
it's probably worth it.  Here at Sony for time to time we get in DAT
masters that have to be coverted to the 3/4 in, Umatic tape before
mastering.  At time I know we have used the the portable player as a play
back unit (as a matter a fact we did for a CD that I pressed).  I  sure you
can find a "cheaper" model in turn of price but Sony stuff carries the
price that it does because then tend to like including lots of features in
products that will satisfy almost any consumer.  The down side to this is
that "basic" models are hard to come by.

-.03 cents



Keith C. Perry - (800)-836-4599
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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:23:19 -0500
From:         "Tim H. Harrison" 
Subject:      Re: 4-tracking

On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, The Digital Witchdoctor wrote:

> Hey guys...I recently picked up a tascam 424 4 track to record some
> of my work.  I have programmed most of the drums,. and some of the bass.
> My basic problem is that I can't get a really decent bass sound out of
> my synth, and some of the lines are out of my playing ability (otherwise,
> I wouldn't bother with the synth).  My drum tracks arfe pretty good, if a
> tad mechanical.

Cool.  My drums bark too. ;)

>
> My question is twofold.  One, how can I edit this bass to make it sound
> human (humane?) enough to send to tape.

I have the 424 and a proteus too.  One thing I do is use a slide bass on
the proteus, set the pitch bend to +-12, and draw pitchbends w/
cakewalk.  It takes a bit of calculator work, though.  You have to divide
the maximum pitch bend midi values by your pitch bend range to figure out
how much bend to draw to get to the desired note.  It's a little tedious,
but the result sounds pretty good.

As far as fretted bass sounds, I guess you just have to be familiar with
bass licks and what can and can't be physically played on a real bass.
(I don't know this stuff.)  I do have this CAL program for cakewalk that
"humanizes" quantized notes.  I've never used it, but it may give the
"human error" effect that you're looking for.

> Two, I am afraid to send the
> drums and bass through my korg a4 guitar effects processor for fear
> of ovberloading the unit?  Is this an unfounded fear?

I send all sorts of stuff through my art effects unit at the same time.
You shouldn't have any problem.  In fact, you can run all four tracks
from the 424 from the effects send to your a4 during mix down.  I have
only one effects unit too.  I record some tracks with effects and then
put more effects in when I mix down.  It makes it sound like I've got a
whole bunch of effects boxes.


Hope this helps,

Tim Harrison
thh1@cec.wustl.edu



>
> as faras equiptment goes, I am running a 486 under windows, and emu proteus
> 1/xr, and the korg, along with various mic's and amps.
>
> thanks for any help you can provide
>
> regards
> Phil
> SPS5251@siena.bitnet
>

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:41:29 -0400
From:         "Jeffrey D. Schultz" 
Subject:      01/w mailing list

>Now, does anyone use a Korg 01w/fd out there?  email me as I need to ask
>a question and korg board seems to be defunct now.

I don't own a 01/w, but there is a mailing list.
- Jeff Schultz

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:53:42 -0700
From:         "R. Edwards" 
Subject:      Re: 4-tracking

This Cal effect that humanizes quantized notes, is it found with cakewalk
or is it something you've programmed?

rona

                                             rebel@netcom.com

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:37:17 PST
From:         "Roger I. Ramnath" 
Subject:      Digital Audio

If I appear redundant to previous discussions, forgive me - I'm a rookie here.

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with Session 8, Deck II, 840AVs,
DigiTrax or any other Mac-based hard disk recording systems.  I would like to
get your input for a future purchase.

Please e-mail me directly if you prefer.

Roger

Roger_Ramnath@cc.wdi.disney.com

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:42:38 -0500
From:         "Tim H. Harrison" 
Subject:      Re: 4-tracking

On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, R. Edwards wrote:

> This Cal effect that humanizes quantized notes, is it found with cakewalk
> or is it something you've programmed?
>
> rona
>
>                                              rebel@netcom.com
>

I think Twelve Tone (sp?) put on a competition a while ago to see who could
write the best CAL programs.  The best ones got released (or sold?) on a
compilation disk (sort of a best-of-cal.)  Does anyone know more about
this CAL competition?  Anyway, I'm pretty sure I got it from that.


Tim
thh1@cec.wustl.edu

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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:16:51 EDT
From:         Keith Bowers 
Subject:      OSC (deck) on the net?

Does anyone out there have the email site for OSC (makers of DECK for the
mac).
I know that they maintain a folder on Compuserve in the midivendors forum but
that $.15 per email that compserve charges probally is making them restrict
email traffic.  My faxes to their office have gone unanswered and their tech
voxline is tollcall hell. I just have some questions about deck 2.2
availability, powermac compats and some details Ive found in using Deck 2.1
for multimedia projects.

Thanx in advance-

rockon

Keith Bowers
Rainshadow Audio Lab
kabowers@aol.com

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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:32:41 -0700
From:         Nate Waddoups 
Subject:      Re: 4-tracking

On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Tim H. Harrison wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, R. Edwards wrote:
>
> I think Twelve Tone (sp?) put on a competition a while ago to see who could
> write the best CAL programs.  The best ones got released (or sold?) on a
> compilation disk (sort of a best-of-cal.)  Does anyone know more about
> this CAL competition?  Anyway, I'm pretty sure I got it from that.

Check out their WWW html page...
http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/People/ccb/Cakewalk/  ... I think.

+-------------------+-------------------------------------------------------
| natew@halcyon.com | You write Windows code?  Mac code?  OS/2 PM code?
+-------------------+ Want a great job in the pacific northwest?
                      Send me email, we'll talk...

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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 12:43:50 -0500
From:         "Tim H. Harrison" 
Subject:      Re: 4-tracking

On Thu, 15 Sep 1994, Nate Waddoups wrote:
>
> Check out their WWW html page...
> http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/People/ccb/Cakewalk/  ... I think.
>
> +-------------------+-------------------------------------------------------
> | natew@halcyon.com | You write Windows code?  Mac code?  OS/2 PM code?
> +-------------------+ Want a great job in the pacific northwest?
>                       Send me email, we'll talk...
>

Yes.  It's all there.  Thanks.

Tim
thh1@cec.wustl.edu

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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 18:12:25 GT+3
From:         Hermann Henning Rauth 
Subject:      Re: 4-tracking

> Hey guys...I recently picked up a tascam 424 4 track to record some
> of my work.  I have programmed most of the drums,. and some of the bass.
> My basic problem is that I can't get a really decent bass sound out of
> my synth, and some of the lines are out of my playing ability (otherwise,
> I wouldn't bother with the synth).  My drum tracks arfe pretty good, if a
> tad mechanical.
>
> My question is twofold.  One, how can I edit this bass to make it sound
> human (humane?) enough to send to tape.  Two, I am afraid to send the
> drums and bass through my korg a4 guitar effects processor for fear
> of ovberloading the unit?  Is this an unfounded fear?
>
> as faras equiptment goes, I am running a 486 under windows, and emu proteus
> 1/xr, and the korg, along with various mic's and amps.
>
> thanks for any help you can provide
>
> regards
> Phil
> SPS5251@siena.bitnet

Hi, I am a bass programmer on a industrial band, and when I want the
bass lines to sound more human, there are some things you can try out:
-stitch the notes of the line together, i.e. play your normal line,
quantize it, and then let 1/64 of the note overpass the next one, if
you use tempos lower than 80 you may try 1/32 of note overpass.
-set the first note volume higher than the others, as well as the
base-note (I don't know if that's the therm for it), and as the line
goes up try lowering the volume. Oh, you can try that on lines that
have notes of different lenght, like this: the first note is a 1/4 E
and the next three notes are 1/16 A, you could try this: set the E on
max volume and A's on 90,80,70 percent of max (you may need to change
this values for a better result).
-if you have a pitch bender, or if your synth as a bender cappability
you should try to bend the last part of a note to stitch to the other.

Well, hope this help!

-> Hermann Rauth
-> rlat1@rla01.pucpr.br
-> LIFO - industrial band

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 08:52:25 -0500
From:         Steve Hills 
Subject:      ALESIS 8track ADAT

        I'm thinking about purchasing the Alesis 8track ADAT machine that runs
with SVHS tape. Has anyone used it out there and it is really good?

SHills@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

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Date:         Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:48:31 -0500
From:         Mark Douglas Nelson 
Subject:      Re: ALESIS 8track ADAT

I've been using the Alesis ADAT machine for about six months now; it's in
the electronic-music studio at Wabash College, where I teach.

Its strengthn:  incredibly user-friendly (wonderful for neophyte
undergraduates): very easy to operate, nice monitoring and tape-transport
options.   _Excellent_ sound reproduction.

Its weaknesses:  I'm not sure how durable it is, and Alesis seems still
to be working the bugs out of its software.
I've had the machine suddenly stop recording in the middle of a recording
session (very unnerving!).  This mysterious problem disappeared when I
moved the ADAT to a different (less humid) room; could have been a
climate problem, but it was scary!
With the ADAT, maximum recording duration per SVHS tape is about 40
minutes; some other machines support longer durations.
If you need SMPTE implementation, you either have to devote one track to
SMPTE code, or buy the outboard box made by Alesis which provides SMPTE
synchronization; some other machines have the SMPTE implementation built in.

On the whole, though, this is an exciting machine.   My students have
done some extraordinary things on it -- it has withstood heavy use by a
group of fifteen undergraduates.  The people at Alesis are pretty good
about responding to problems over the phone.
And those eight tracks of digital sound!!

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