issue08

EMUSIC-L Digest                                      Volume 68, Issue 08

This issue's topics: csound and sonic morphing
	
	Csound Mailing List
	Morphing... (2 messages)
	csound (10 messages)
	Csound for OS/2 native?
	csound for Mac? (2 messages)
	CSOUND Instruments
	csound
	Csound Mailing List

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Date:         Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:12:22 +662900
From:         "Dr. Kirk Corey" 
Subject:      Re: Csound Mailing List

On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Jason Vantomme wrote:

> You may join by sending a message to:
>
> csound-request@maths.ex.ac.uk

This appears to have changed.  I just did this, and got an automated reply
that the mail should go to
        majordomo@maths.ex.ac.uk
with contents
        subscribe csound

I have just tried this method, and it appears to have worked.

-- Kirk

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Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:29:03 -0400
From:         James Driggers 
Subject:      Morphing...

        Hello all,

          In regards to sound design, does anyone know some
        algorithms or such for "morphing" one sample to another?
        More than just a simple crossfade, that is.  Do some of
        the sample editing packages do it and sound convincing?
        What I've heard on Emu's machine isn't up to snuff, IMHO.
        (SORRY!)  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

        Cheers, Jim

        

        "Musician, philosopher, beer drinker."





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Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 14:46:19 -0700
From:         Nate Waddoups 
Subject:      Re: Morphing...

On Mon, 19 Sep 1994, James Driggers wrote:

>           In regards to sound design, does anyone know some
>         algorithms or such for "morphing" one sample to another?
>         More than just a simple crossfade, that is.  Do some of
>         the sample editing packages do it and sound convincing?
>         What I've heard on Emu's machine isn't up to snuff, IMHO.

If I were to try to build something that did what the morpheus advertises,
I'd run fast fourier transforms (FFTs) on the samples, and store the
results of several transforms (spectrums of amplitudes at various
frequencies at various times during the sample's playback) instead of the
samples themselves.

Playback would involve inverse FFTs of the stored spectra.  Morphing would
be done by weighting and averaging the spectra of the instruments before
running an IFFT on the results.

I don't actually know if it would work, to be honest.  I've been trying to
get a decent FFT/IFFT working on my PC for a while now, since I think it
could be used for a number of interesting musical applications.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:12:34 -0500
From:         Phil Skiba 
Subject:      csound

Hey.  Can anyone direct me to a copy of csound that will actually run on
my system.  I was getting all sorts of strangeness last year while
trying to work it...like csound telling me that my kr,sr,kamps were off,
even though I knew (as did everyone else) that my code was fine.

some people thought my memory configuration might be wrong.  Is this
possible?  Has anyone else experienced this?  I am running 8 megs
onboard (which ought to be plenty, yes?).  Could it be that Stacker
is screwing things up?

Thanks,

Phil
sps5251@siena.bitnet

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:15:20 -0400
From:         John Shaft 
Subject:      Re: csound

What OS are you running it on?  Linux?  If so, we should confer because
I'm trying to get mine all settled out as well. =)

john

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:37:45 -0500
From:         Phil Skiba 
Subject:      Re: csound

I am running the new Dos (what is it...6.2 already ;) ) and windows.
Is therea csound that will run out of windows?  That would be interesting.
In any case, is there a program out there I can use to test my memory
configuration?

phil
sps5251@siena.bitnet

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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:36:46 -0700
From:         "Shawn T. Rutledge" 
Subject:      Re: csound

> I am running the new Dos (what is it...6.2 already ;) ) and windows.
> Is therea csound that will run out of windows?  That would be interesting.
> In any case, is there a program out there I can use to test my memory
> configuration?

There is a shell for windows that makes it easier to run the DOS version.
You can tag an sco and orc and tell it to compile, or edit either one.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:57 +0100
From:         Klaus Neubauer 
Subject:      Re: csound

> I am currently runnning csound in windows from the "msdos prompt", but
> I have a feeling it would be faster if I ran it directly in dos. [...]
> Can anyone tell me if it will run significantly faster outside of
> widows?

Phil - I don't know csound but I'm working with MS-Windows -sigh- at the
office and I think that every DOS-App. runs faster outside windows
(because of more real memory etc).

regards
Klaus

u1amo01@thor.dnet.basf-ag.de

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Date:         Mon, 26 Sep 1994 12:11:16 EDT
From:         Paul Schuh 
Subject:      Re: csound

> > I am currently runnning csound in windows from the "msdos prompt", but
> > I have a feeling it would be faster if I ran it directly in dos. [...]
> > Can anyone tell me if it will run significantly faster outside of
> > widows?
>
> Phil - I don't know csound but I'm working with MS-Windows -sigh- at the
> office and I think that every DOS-App. runs faster outside windows
> (because of more real memory etc).

It has been my experience that even MS-Windoze applications run faster
under OS/2.

    .

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Date:         Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:11:52 -0500
From:         Phil Skiba 
Subject:      csound

I am currently runnning csound in windows from the "msdos prompt", but
I have a feeling it would be faster if I ran it directly in dos.  Many
of my output files are about 3 megs, but they take several hours to
compile @486-25mhz.

Can anyone tell me if it will run significantly faster outside of
widows?  Its a pain to change my autoexec.bat b/c I run some
software that needs crazy extended memory configs, etc, but I woukd
do it if it will work bettr

thanks

phil
sps5251@siena.bitnet

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Date:         Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:34:10 -0500
From:         Burton Beerman 
Subject:      csound

Where is there an FTP site for Csound for ibm dos?  Or is there (excuse me for
cussing) a mail site?

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:52:45 +1000
From:         Damien Miller <943127@EDNA.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: csound

On Mon, 26 Sep 1994, Phil Skiba wrote:

> I am currently runnning csound in windows from the "msdos prompt", but
> I have a feeling it would be faster if I ran it directly in dos.  Many
> of my output files are about 3 megs, but they take several hours to
> compile @486-25mhz.

Try editing the dos prompt's .pif file and allocating it more memory -
Csound is a 32 bit application and can take advantage of XMS (and DPMI I
think). Also try giving it a better timeslice/priority/whatever-is-called,
this will be at the expense of anything else running.

>
> Can anyone tell me if it will run significantly faster outside of
> widows?  Its a pain to change my autoexec.bat b/c I run some
> software that needs crazy extended memory configs, etc, but I woukd
> do it if it will work bettr

I don't know about windows, but I use it under OS/2. Usually I have 2
instances of an editor running (one for .sco, one for .orc), 2 OS/2 command
boxes (one to delete/rename/move files, the other to read the menual :), a
windows based waveform editor and the soundblaster volume control. All of
this going and I can't see any sign of a slowdown.

Damien

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:13:02 +1000
From:         Damien Miller <943127@EDNA.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: csound

On Mon, 26 Sep 1994, Burton Beerman wrote:

> Where is there an FTP site for Csound for ibm dos?  Or is there (excuse me for
> cussing) a mail site?

ftp: ftp.bath.ac.uk
either: /pub/dream or /pub/jpff

Damien

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:15:35 +1000
From:         Damien Miller <943127@EDNA.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Csound for OS/2 native?

Hi,

Can anyone direct me to a native version of Csound for OS/2?

regards,
Damien

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 23:17:14 +0000
From:         Jim Gardner 
Subject:      csound for Mac?

Hi folks

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but after having read all the stuff
about csound for MSDross and Fensters, the obvious question is "is there a
Mac version, and if so, where can I get it?"

In fact what other programs like this are out there for the Mac. Obviously
I'd like to know about the ones available via anonymous ftp, but would also
be interested in details about commercial stuff.

On the other hand, perhaps I've just stumbled into FAQ territory.  Anyway -
what's the deal, people?

Jim Gardner

You should never have your best trousers on when you turn out to fight for
freedom and truth.

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:33:07 -0400
From:         John Shaft 
Subject:      Re: csound for Mac?

Csound for u*x and Macs can be found on cecelia.media.mit.edu in some
/pub directory i believe (it's not very deep, dont worry ;).

I also seem to remember seeing some Mac sound processing software from
the IRCAM web page (I cant recall the address, though i think it's like
http://www.ircam.fr/).

good luck!
john

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Date:         Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:57:47 -0500
From:         Phil Skiba 
Subject:      CSOUND Instruments

Hey guys, is there anyone out there who has put together interesting
csound instruments?  I have finally got it running, but I am not very
experienced at programming.  I'd like to see some examples and find out
just what is possible.

Thanks,

Phil
SPS5251@SIENA.BITNET

p.s. to whomever is asking, I know there is a csound for mac someplace,
but I am not certain where.  ANyone have an ftp site

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Date:         Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:27:33 -0600
From:         Jason Vantomme 
Subject:      Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 27 Sep 1994 to 28 Sep 1994

The following is directly from the MAC-README in:

        /pub/Csound
at: cecelia.media.mit.edu

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CSOUND FOR THE MACINTOSH

The following files are relevant to Macintosh users:

Csound.hqx      Macintosh Csound application
Csound-881.hqx  Macintosh 020/030 881/882 Csound application
Csound.man.hqx  Csound manual in Microsoft Word format
Csound.sit.hqx  Archive containing all source files

These four files are all encoded into ASCII using the BinHex format.
---------------------------------------------------------

I believe that there is an entire folder of examples sent along in the
application bundle as well...examples from Dashow, Chowning, Boulanger,
etc.


Jason.

_________________________________________________________________________
                    Jason D. Vantomme, Programmer/Analyst
Institute for the Learning Sciences,            Northwestern University
1890 Maple Avenue, Evanston, IL 60201           Ph. (708) 467-2129
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Date:         Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:30:41 -0600
From:         Jason Vantomme 
Subject:      Csound Mailing List

Since there has been a lot of traffic about csound, I thought I'd post a
note about the CSOUND mailing list and how to get on it.  From the FAQ:

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3.0 How do I get more info on Csound?

Though information about Csound is pretty scarce, you can always find some
useful tips from a couple of sources.

-       First, there is a new mailing-list for Csound created by Martin Dupras
(Universite de Montreal, Quebec) and James Andrews (University of Exeter, UK).
This mailing-list has been created especially for discussion on the use of
Csound, and is open to all Csound whether veterans or beginners.

You may join by sending a message to:

csound-request@maths.ex.ac.uk

the first line of which says 'subscribe name@host'

and then post by sending mail to:

csound@maths.ex.ac.uk

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Hope this helps.

Jason.

_________________________________________________________________________
                    Jason D. Vantomme, Programmer/Analyst
Institute for the Learning Sciences,            Northwestern University
1890 Maple Avenue, Evanston, IL 60201           Ph. (708) 467-2129
_________________________________________________________________________

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