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Date:         Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:18:52 -0800
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From:         "Holly A. Miller" 
Subject:      midi to au converter

I have been off this list for a few months now.  Please forgive me if this
is a repeat question.

I am looking for a Mac utility that will convert midi files to au files
or even aiff files so that they could be used in multimedia applications
such as Digital Chisel.  Is such a thing possible?  Would I be better off
trying to go from midi to Quick time 2.0?  I would appreciate any advice.

Thank you in advance,
Holly Miller
ham@halcyon.com

43507 SE 76th St.
Snoqualmie, WA  98065
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Date:         Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:29:23 EST
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From:         Kevin Miller <71760.476@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: midi to au converter

> I am looking for a Mac utility that will convert midi files to au files
> or even aiff files so that they could be used in multimedia applications
> such as Digital Chisel.  Is such a thing possible?  Would I be better off
> trying to go from midi to Quick time 2.0?  I would appreciate any advice.

I haven't heard of such a utility and I don't think it's possible - at least not
easily. Midi files are like the paper rolls on player pianos - they just
reproduce the keystrokes of someone who actually played the song. Even if you
have the paper roll (midi file), you'll need a player piano (sound card or
synth) to make a sound. Au, aiff, mov, and wav files on the other hand are
actual recordings of a sound. Of course, you could play the midi file and record
it into an au file at the same time.

Kevin
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:47:32 +0100
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From:         Piet van Oostrum 
Subject:      Midi files/software archives on the Internet

There is a list of ftp and mail server archives with MIDI documentation,
programs and music on the Internet. Also enclosed is a list of MIDI and
electronic music related mailing lists.

The latest version of this file can be obtained by ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl
[131.211.80.17] in pub/MIDI/DOC/archives, on the WWW by
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/archives  or by e-mail from
mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (send a message with HELP in the body).
The latest monthly version is also available in the various news.answers
archives around the world, in music/midi/archives.

Version: $Id: archives,v 1.152 1996/01/03 10:45:34 piet Exp $
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:47:33 +0100
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From:         Piet van Oostrum 
Subject:      Computer Music bibliography

There is a bibliography on synthesizers, midi, computer and electronic
music that I have collected from various sources. I have tried to bring
some structure into it, but not all books will fit into a single subject.
NOTE: I haven't read these books, and the comments are from other people.

The latest version of this file can be obtained by ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl
[131.211.80.17] in pub/MIDI/DOC/bibliography, on the WWW by
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/pub/MIDI/DOC/bibliography or by e-mail from
mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (send a message with HELP in the body).
The latest monthly version is also available in the various news.answers
archives around the world, in music/midi/bibliography.

Version: $Id: bibliography,v 1.38 1996/01/02 12:56:17 piet Exp $
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:28:49 EST
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From:         "william.b.fox" 
Subject:      My First Playlist
Comments: To: jarre@cs.uwp.edu, space-music@cs.uwp.edu

Playlist for DISEMBODIED VOICES

Bill Fox filling in for Jeff Bauer.

Aired on WDIY 88.1 FM ALLENTOWN 12/31/95 at 11 pm to 1 am 1/1/96.
WDIY - Changing the sound of the Lehigh Valley.  The right place to be
at the left end of the dial.

11 pm:
ARTIST                  ALBUM                   TITLE
------------------      --------------------    ---------------------
Wendy Carlos            Digital Moonscapes      Genesis
Harold Budd             Lovely Thunder          The Gunfighter
Team Metlay             Ballistic               Fragment G
Steve Roach             World's Edge            Thunderground
Jean Michel Jarre       Oxygene                 Oxygene Parts V & VI
Steve Verity            Digital Planet          Forests of Nereid

12 am:
ARTIST                  ALBUM                   TITLE
------------------      --------------------    ---------------------
Team Metlay             Ballistic               Aqua Regia
Chuck Van Zyl &
        Peter Gulch     Regeneration Mode       Regeneration Mode
Bill Fox                                        EC101
George Martin           Yellow Submarine        Sea of Holes
Klause Schulze          The Essential KS        Totem
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:37:55 -0500
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From:         Joshua Fried 
Subject:      physical modeling

Hi, all--

I'm writing an article for Contemporary Music Journal!  (My first and
probably last--long story...)

I'll be contrasting different approaches to technology, referring to
Marshall McLuhan's principle that new technologies are usually thought of
in terms of the old.

I'd like to use physical modeling as an example, but since I don't know
very much about it, I'd like to run some thoughts by the distinguished
members of this list.

Would it be accurate to say that pm was originally conceived in academia
as yet another way to imitate existing acoustic instruemnts, such as
violin, clarinet (read:  uncool)?  And that, fortunately, pm is already
being used (by whom?) to model "impossible" instruments, such as a
clarinet with a 50-foot bore (read:  very hip)?

Or would it be more accurate to say that pm, as conceived in academia, was
"hip" as described above and fell into the McLuhan trap only when the
commercial music companies such as Yamaha jumped in?  Or is it the other
way around?

Or am I way off-base here?

Another example of this point would be the observation that commercial
synths are still largely thought of as a cheap means to replace acoustic
instruments.  Or that multi-track recording equipment evolved as a means
to imitate the sound of a live ensemble, and is often still used that way,
and seldom for its inherent creative possibilities.


thoughts? flames?

Joshua Fried
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:40:40 -0500
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From:         Mark Nutter 
Subject:      Re: My First Playlist
Comments: cc: "william.b.fox" 

"william.b.fox"  writes:

>Playlist for DISEMBODIED VOICES...

I notice you sent this to EMUSIC-L, but I didn't see in your mail headers
anything about the new-age-radio list, which is where I usually see
playlists and stuff.  Just in case you (or anyone else who might be
interested) didn't know, you can subscribe to the new-age-radio list by
sending email as follows:

TO: majordomo@cs.uwp.edu
SUBJ:

subscribe new-age-radio 

Or, alternatively, you can subscribe to new-age-radio-digest instead, if
you would like to get all the messages bundled up into a daily digest.

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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:57 EST
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From:         Jesse Lackey 
Subject:      alesis quadraverb II digital i/o ....?

A quick question to quadraverb II owners:  blurbs in music mail-order stores
say it has digital i/o...adat format.  Does it also work with SPDIF, and is it
coax or optical or both?  I'd like to use one as a digital effects loop on my
PC, where I can do simultaneous SPDIF in & out.  Any help appreciated!  Thanks.
Jesse
p.s. what do you think of the effects?  I'm primarily interested in the
reverb for vocals.
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:18:53 -0800
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From:         Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City 
Subject:      Re: physical modeling
In-Reply-To:  <199601031537.KAA28958@escape.com> from "Joshua Fried" at Jan 3,
              96 10:37:55 am

Joshua Fried writes--
>
>I'm writing an article for Contemporary Music Journal!  (My first and
>probably last--long story...)

I've never heard of that journal. (I'm not up on current holdings in
libraries, though I should be.) Any relation to the Computer Music
Journal from MIT Press? I owe them an article or three myself....

>I'll be contrasting different approaches to technology, referring to
>Marshall McLuhan's principle that new technologies are usually thought of
>in terms of the old.
>
>I'd like to use physical modeling as an example, but since I don't know
>very much about it, I'd like to run some thoughts by the distinguished
>members of this list.

Well, I dunno if Dan Phillips is still on here, but I just did an
article for RECORDING (everybody wave to Nick Batzdorf! HI NICK! :) on
the future directions of synthesis, including physical modeling. My
current mood on the topic is a bit sour, for reasons I'll go into below.

>Would it be accurate to say that pm was originally conceived in academia
>as yet another way to imitate existing acoustic instruemnts, such as
>violin, clarinet (read:  uncool)?  And that, fortunately, pm is already
>being used (by whom?) to model "impossible" instruments, such as a
>clarinet with a 50-foot bore (read:  very hip)?

No, I think that the two were probably thought of hand in hand. The
place you want to go for the skinny on this is the research papers
published by CCRMA on the field. I'll see if I can get you (and the
list) some titles and references, but others here may be closer to
music libraries and more able to get at it quickly than I am, hint hint.

>Or would it be more accurate to say that pm, as conceived in academia, was
>"hip" as described above and fell into the McLuhan trap only when the
>commercial music companies such as Yamaha jumped in?  Or is it the other
>way around?
>
>Or am I way off-base here?

I think that it was developed with cool ideas in mind but with a
strong eye toward saleable stuff as well. You have to be pretty damn
ivory-tower to completely ignore the manufacturers slavering around
your pants legs sniffing for money-making ideas, especially after what
happened to Chowning....

>Another example of this point would be the observation that commercial
>synths are still largely thought of as a cheap means to replace acoustic
>instruments.  Or that multi-track recording equipment evolved as a means
>to imitate the sound of a live ensemble, and is often still used that way,
>and seldom for its inherent creative possibilities.

This is true enough, but the real steps forward come from the folks
who either make new noises for their own sake, or more likely figure
out a way to make technologies that do what the suits want AND make
new noises.

>thoughts? flames?

Here's a flame for the lawyers out there. Did you know that it's
almost impossible to make any sort of comparison between the different
types of modeling technology used by the various synth manufacturers
without getting threatened with a lawsuit? It turns out that each
company is not only busy developing its own modeling methods, but is
jealously looking over its shoulder and snarling at anyone who might
(a) make public any information that The Other Guys could steal and/or
(b) use any terminology that hints at technologies (and the names
associated with them) that might be patented by The Other Guys. Here's
a for-instance: Technics calls their WSA1 an "acoustic modeling" synth
(because they're afraid that CCRMA has patented the words "physical
modeling" for their own research), and strenuously protests against
anyone even using the term "physical modeling" in the same breath as
their box. It's making this review I'm working on for the CMJ pretty
damned annoying, to say the least. When I wrote my article on the
future of synthesis for RECORDING, I was tripped about a half dozen
times by my contacts at Korg, Yamaha, Roland, and Technics, each of
whome frantically inserted disclaimers and revisions to disassociate
themselves from one another. In some cases, this was fact-based, for
example a claim that a particular synth used a modeling algorithm that
it didn't; in other cases, it was just arse-covering. I know it's just
business as usual, but I don't have to like it.

mike
--
The Royal Headsman watched the guards drag the Court Jester to the block...
"You know," he mused with a smile as he sharpened his axe, "You didn't just
tell great jokes about the King. No, YOU gave us something to THINK about."
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:10:21 -0500
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From:         David Crandall 
Subject:      Re: midi to au converter
In-Reply-To:  

On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, Holly A. Miller wrote:

> I am looking for a Mac utility that will convert midi files to au files
> or even aiff files so that they could be used in multimedia applications
> such as Digital Chisel.  Is such a thing possible?  Would I be better off
> trying to go from midi to Quick time 2.0?  I would appreciate any advice.

There's a DOS/Windows program from DiAcoustics called Midi Renderer that
should do the trick.  Goes from MIDI to .wav files, and .wav to aiff
should be easy enough.  Sorry it's not a Mac thang, though...  I just
checked their homepage and didn't see any mention of cross-platform
versions other than DOS/Windows and OS/2.

Their web address is

http://www.iquest.com/~diac/mr-home.html

Hope this hits the spot.

David Crandall
dcrand1@umbc.edu
Baltimore (Stoop Sitter Central) MD.
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Date:         Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:53:05 EST
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From:         "william.b.fox" 
Subject:      Re: My First Playlist
Comments: To: manutter@grove.iup.edu

Mark Nutter writes, in part:
> I notice you sent this to EMUSIC-L, but I didn't see in your mail headers
> anything about the new-age-radio list, which is where I usually see
> playlists and stuff.  Just in case you (or anyone else who might be
> interested) didn't know, you can subscribe to the new-age-radio list by
> sending email as follows:

Thanks for the tip, Mark.  I'm already a member there.  But the reason I
didn't include the new-age-radio-digest in my post is because I only
joined yesterday.  I wanted to lurk a week or two to get the flavor of
the list before posting something that may or may not be appropriate.
Since you see playlists there (regularly?), I plan to post the playlist
there, eventually.

Bill Fox        wbf@aloft.att.com
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Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:52:42 +1000
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From:         David Rodger 
Subject:      Re: physical modeling

Hi Joshua...

> Marshall McLuhan's principle that new technologies are usually thought of
> in terms of the old.

Oh, cool.  Do let us know when it's being published.

Re the chicken and egg question:
My reading of CMJ and other sources over the last few years indicates (to me,
anyway) that pm was developed by trying to simulate acoustic instruments,
but the researchers never stated that this was the reason they were doing it.
The physical properties of acoustic instruments are known (or can be found),
so, if anything, the research became exercises in seeing what (and how)
they could be modelled.  (Whoops! slight misplacement of bracket there, but
I think you'll know what I mean.)  This doesn't mean that other paradigms
can't be found.  But if you're trying to evaluate the efficacy of a synthesis
technique, modelling acoustic instruments seems to be a good way of doing it.

> fell into the McLuhan trap only when the
> commercial music companies such as Yamaha jumped in?

Well, since physical modelling is very complicated, I tend to think that yer
average punter will wish less to model than he/she was willing to program
FM.  Physical models seem to be very specific.  Those with access to the
Korg Prophecy can tell us how _it_ works (and have recently).  I expect that
specific models will be available which the user can mix and match.  e.g.
a flute mouthpiece and a bass string sustain.  This would be different from
the old sampled-attack + synth sustain in that the mouthpiece modelling
could be made to have an effect on the bass string model.

> Another example of this point would be the observation that commercial
> synths are still largely thought of as a cheap means to replace acoustic
> instruments.  Or that multi-track recording equipment evolved as a means
> to imitate the sound of a live ensemble, and is often still used that way,
> and seldom for its inherent creative possibilities.

Much of this has been said already, but you'd always find exceptions.
Rather than artists necessarily wishing to _imitate_ an ensemble, they may
only wish to have a greater degree of processing control over discrete
elements of the ensemble, which a stereo recording would not afford.
Regardless of whether one approves of this or not, the fact that 'mixing'
and 're-mixing' are respected in the industry says something. Why is
Bob Clearmountain so sought after?

Regards, David
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:23:59 -0500
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From:         "A. Kar Vivekananthan" 
Subject:      Re: Rap and new wave songs

Normally, I simply read this list.  But today...

Electronic music most definitively encompasses rap music and it's
derivatives.  Aside from basic cultural significances found within the lyrics
- the music is just as significant, progressive and profound as anything else
created with electronic instruments.  In addition, it might prove cathartic
if one would take the time and listen to some of rap and hip-hop music's
composition...

Don't knock it till you try it.
Rap culture is vibrant, genuine and useful.

Maybe it is not part of your reality.  --
But, so what?!
One might be surprised at how many of today's youths use phrases and ideas
found within top40 rap...  I wonder what's in store for posterity?

DKAV@aol.com
production/engineering
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Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:43:07 GMT
Reply-To:     jetman@tunanet.com
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From:         jetman 
Organization: tunanet
Subject:      Re: midi to au converter
Comments: To: homer!AMERICAN.EDU!EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Kevin Miller wrote:

>Of course, you could play the midi file and record
>it into an au file at the same time.

Or play an au file and transcribe it into MIDI at the same time.

Hey, could you play a MIDI file and record it into an au file while you were
transcribing that file into a MIDI file that was being recorded into an au
file, . . . ?

Jeff Talman
NYC-USA
jetman@tunanet.com
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Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:29:42 EST
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From:         AA90000 
Subject:      KYMA AND PITCH-TO-MIDI

People:
I'm new on this list (and, as a matter of fact, new to lists).

I've some questions for anyone who's had the opportunity to
work on the KYMA system from Symbolic Sound.

What computer did you run it from?  How much RAM did you have...
...how much did you wish you had?  Did the system belong to an
individual or an institution?  If an institution, which one and
how did you gain access privileges?

I'm very curious about this system and would appreciate any
information you could share about experiences with KYMA.


Thanks-
T.F.
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Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:33:15 -0600
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From:         Benjamin Leon 
Subject:      Address

Greetings!

Anyone know if there is a direct address to Roland and Kurzweil.
Not through any Web pages - PLEASE!

thanks in advance.
Ben
Bleon@omnifest.uwm.edu
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Date:         Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:11:51 +0000
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From:         Nick Rothwell 
Subject:      Re: Rap and new wave songs

>Electronic music most definitively encompasses rap music

I have nothing against rap music - I actually like some of it - but I don't
see what makes it "electronic music". Is it concerned with the creative and
innovative use of electronically-generated timbre (which is what I
generally assume EM means)?

   Nick Rothwell     CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance     nick@cassiel.com

              years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again
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Date:         Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:35:11 -0500
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From:         Jeff Peters 
Subject:      Re: Response to Address request

Try Keyword Kurzweil.
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Date:         Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:06:02 -0600
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From:         Benjamin Leon 
Subject:      Re: Response to Address request

Thanks for the Kurzweil/Keyword,
But maybe I forgot to mention in the first letter.
I am also not on AOL.
BLeon
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Date:         Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:55:31 EST
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From:         Kevin Miller <71760.476@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Response to Address request

>Thanks for the Kurzweil/Keyword,
>But maybe I forgot to mention in the first letter.
>I am also not on AOL.
>BLeon

Try David Fox at 75300.2272@compuserve.com.  He's the Kurzweil rep on their
forum on Compuserve.

Kevin
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Date:         Sat, 6 Jan 1996 03:00:21 -0600
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From:         "i.s.o.r. magazine!" 
Subject:      PC based simulations of

Has anyone toyed with the windows based program SimSynth? i've had it on
my computer for a long time and am just now trying to understand it but
this seems like a brillant idea that has been overlooked many times. For
those of you that don't know it is an analogue synth simulator. I'm sure
it does not exactly replicate a snyth but is it not more satiating to
'invent' your own sound?

ps- anyone know of a program that allows the user to draw via mouse or
co-ordinates a wave-form for sampling?
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Date:         Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:06:52 -0500
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From:         Kirlu@AOL.COM
Subject:      Remove from list

Please remove me from your mailing list. Thank You
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Date:         Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:12:17 EST
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From:         Kevin Miller <71760.476@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: PC based simulations of

>ps- anyone know of a program that allows the user to draw via mouse or
>co-ordinates a wave-form for sampling?

I use Wave II SE from Turtle Beach (SE asn in Sample Editing) to edit and
audition samples. It is also able to send and receive samples from their wave
table synth cards. You can draw with the mouse, which I've used to remove clicks
and pops from existing samples. I think it's a good package. It works with MSW
wave files, but it can import and export may file types.

Kevin
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Date:         Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:13:42 -0600
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From:         Benjamin Leon 
Subject:      Re: Response to Address request

Thanks a lot!!
BLeon