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Date:         Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:46:58 -0500
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From:         Damien Moody 
Subject:      Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 5 Mar 1996 to 6 Mar 1996
In-Reply-To:  <199603060600.BAA107281@atlanta.american.edu>

>
> However, I also believe that crappy sound modules can never produce a
> realistic sounding orchestra, even in the hands of an master.  You gotta
> have the sounds to begin with or you will never get anywhere.
>
> Of course, I also believe that you will NEVER be able to obtain the sound
> of a real orchestra from synths, but that's what keeps orchestra
> musicians employed ... occasionally, at least.  ;-)
>
> Chris
>
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        The way I see it, why bother try to exactly reproduce an acoustic
instrument electronically (speaking artistically about electronic music)
when you can get the thing itself? It's great to have "stringlike" and
"flutelike" sounds, but not only will electronic music not replace the
instruments of traditional orchestral music, it should fall into its own
category with no intention of copying other genres.

Damien Moody         dmoody@capaccess.org
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Date:         Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:40:35 +1900
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From:         Hugo Ernesto Foigelman 
Subject:      session8

Does anybody have a session 8 PC?
I'm running one with a cakewalk 3.0,and they
sync fine,but I'm not capable of record the
fader movements of the session into the cakewalk
to automate the mix.I really tried on everything,
read the manuals carefully,and made tons of tests,
but nothing happens.I'll appreciate any idea.
Thanks,
Hugo
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Date:         Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:39:37 -0700
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From:         Dave Rosborough 
Subject:      Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 5 Mar 1996 to 6 Mar 1996

>        The way I see it, why bother try to exactly reproduce an acoustic
>instrument electronically (speaking artistically about electronic music)
>when you can get the thing itself? It's great to have "stringlike" and
>"flutelike" sounds, but not only will electronic music not replace the
>instruments of traditional orchestral music, it should fall into its own
>category with no intention of copying other genres.
>
>Damien Moody         dmoody@capaccess.org

This is very true in a strictly theoretical situation, where cash is
unlimited.  But musicians like to get paid, and if you're making a demo
tape (which started this thread) then money isn't necessarily growing on
trees...

TTYL
DaveR

       _________________________________________________
        David Rosborough
          Online Services Designer,
            Faculty of Education, SFU
              drosboro@sfu.ca
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Date:         Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:56:13 -0500
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From:         Eric Sammer 
Subject:      Electronic Music / Alesis ADAT project.....

     I'm looking for anyone involved with industrial, ambient, techno, rave,
acid house, or any of the numerous other kinds of totally electronic music
out there!
     I would like to start a project with someone new, problem is that there
are no people in my immediate area interested! (area = upstate NY = just
above NYC) ANYONE WHO OWNS THE ALESIS ADAT OR THE ADAT XT AND WOULD LIKE TO
RECORD TRACKS AND MAIL THE TAPES BACK AND FORTH IN AN ATTEMPT TO CREATE
SOMETHING INTERESTING AND POSSIBLY NEW SEND ME MAIL!!!!!! Also if you know of
any kind of groups that already do this kind of thing, let me know! I'm very
eager and excited and would like to get started. I am also quite serious, so
please only reply if you are willing to work! If there is anyone who applies
to any of these, or would like to bring another type of EM to my attention,
please send me private e-mail!

regards,
es
Industrial and Electronic Music -
http://members.aol.com/speck100/homepage/eric1.htm
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Date:         Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:54:46 EST
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From:         "william.b.fox" 
Subject:      Why Simulate the Real Thing?

Chris Anthes said:
> Of course, I also believe that you will NEVER be able to obtain the sound
> of a real orchestra from synths, but that's what keeps orchestra
> musicians employed ... occasionally, at least.  ;-)

I agree.  Even samplers can't go all the way and duplicate an orchestra.
But you can get sufficiently close for some applications.

And Damien Moody responded:
>        The way I see it, why bother try to exactly reproduce an acoustic
>instrument electronically (speaking artistically about electronic music)
>when you can get the thing itself? It's great to have "stringlike" and
>"flutelike" sounds, but not only will electronic music not replace the
>instruments of traditional orchestral music, it should fall into its own
>category with no intention of copying other genres.

Gee, you're both right!  I think the key phrase in Damien's statement
is, "...when you can get the thing itself?" speaking artistically about
electronic music as Damien did.  But I find myself in the throes of
Jesus Christ Superstar and the orchestral instruments are just not
available on a local theatre's budget.  And now that the synth player
left us in the lurch,  the pianist, the other guitarist, and I are
scrambling to fill in the highlights as best as we are able.  (We're using
DX7, GR50, and Mirage & Taurus II, respectively.)  It's fun but a little
late in the game for us to do any serious sound design.

Bill Fox        wbf@aloft.att.com
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Date:         Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:49:40 -0500
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From:         Joe Miklojcik 
Subject:      Patch bays larger than 8x8

I think that with MOTU MIDI Time Piece II's, you can buy multiple units and
"network" them.  That is, there is
some interface with with 2 TP2s can be connected that does not use up any
MIDI ports, and that you have in every which way a 16x16 computer interface
(16x16 MIDI channels).  I'm not sure if the networking works independently of
the computer -- if you turn off the computer you may just have 2 8x8 patch
bays that can't talk to each other.  In theory then, you could connect a
third, and make it a 24x24 (16x24 MIDI channels), and so on.  This is what I
read from their TP2 lit.

You can't do this with any PC interfaces I know of, although I'm hoping
Opcode's recent aquisitions will fill in this gap.

While I'm here dreaming, what I'd really like is a wireless MIDI system where
you just throw a wireless cap on the in/out/thru jacks on the back of
everything in your rig.  Then one centralized brain/computer would drive them
all with no patch-bay width limits.

(jfm)
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Date:         Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:08:13 -0800
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From:         "David W. Dial" 
Subject:      Re: Why Simulate the Real Thing?

>Chris Anthes said:
>> Of course, I also believe that you will NEVER be able to obtain the sound
>> of a real orchestra from synths, but that's what keeps orchestra
>> musicians employed ... occasionally, at least.  ;-)
>
>And Damien Moody responded:
>>        The way I see it, why bother try to exactly reproduce an acoustic
>>instrument electronically (speaking artistically about electronic music)
>>when you can get the thing itself? It's great to have "stringlike" and
>>"flutelike" sounds, but not only will electronic music not replace the
>>instruments of traditional orchestral music, it should fall into its own
>>category with no intention of copying other genres.
>
>Gee, you're both right!  I think the key phrase in Damien's statement
>is, "...when you can get the thing itself?" speaking artistically about
>electronic music as Damien did.  But I find myself in the throes of
>Jesus Christ Superstar and the orchestral instruments are just not
>available on a local theatre's budget.  And now that the synth player
>left us in the lurch,  the pianist, the other guitarist, and I are
>scrambling to fill in the highlights as best as we are able.  (We're using
>DX7, GR50, and Mirage & Taurus II, respectively.)  It's fun but a little
>late in the game for us to do any serious sound design.
>
>Bill Fox        wbf@aloft.att.com

I agree that it's impossible to electronically duplicate an acoustic
orchestra, but if flesh-and-blood competent musicians are not available, the
electronic substitute helps the vast majority of us who cannot "visualize"
the sound of an orchestra.  The electronic devices are merely another tool
available to people who want to make music.  The great thing about the
present state of music is that there are many more ways to get into music
and music education than when all we had was acoustic instruments.  Think of
it as having a bigger palette to work with.

Dave Dial
Fumbling Amateur Musician and Fanatical MIDI File Collector
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Date:         Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:21:33 -0500
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From:         "John C. Witzgall" 
Subject:      Re: session8

I have Session8 and Cakewalk 3.00, and they don't work together on my PC at
all. The audio tracks on Session8 simply don't play while Cakewalk is
installed in the same computer. So be glad..it could be worse. I've heard
that Cakewalk has acknowledged that there are some problems with
 Cakewalk/Session8 compatibility, but I haven't called them yet to find out
exactly what they are.
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Date:         Sat, 9 Mar 1996 08:35:15 CST
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From:         harry haecker 
Subject:      Re[2]: Why Simulate the Real Thing?

Without synths to simulate the real thing, composers sometimes have to wait
*years* before being able to hear what their work sounds like.  Although a
synthesized orchestra is a very weak, distant second to the Real McCoy, it
certainly is nice to be able to hear a composition in it's final stages without
having to hire a full human orchestra!
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Date:         Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:53:00 +0900
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From:         BUYO-BUYO-IGOR 
Subject:      VOCODER

about a week ago Mr. Tony Cappellini asked..

>Does anybody know what Kraftwerk used for the speech synthesis in
>The Autobahn , and how did they get it to "talk" in time with the beat ?

I'm not sure. But I think it's a VOCODER.
This machine has double inputs--one for mic and the other for your instrument.
 Words will be controled by what you say and the pitch by the instrument.
H. Hancock(spell?) a jazz KB player sang all the songs with it in the album "S
UNRISE"(I think it was).

Am I wrong? SOMEBODY?

the only night-time key-puncher on this list
BUYO-BUYO-IGOR=Masaaki Tsuji=cxl03253@niftyserve.or.jp
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Date:         Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:14:49 -0500
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From:         Hugo Ernesto Foigelman 
Subject:      Re: VOCODER


>about a week ago Mr. Tony Cappellini asked..
>
>>Does anybody know what Kraftwerk used for the speech synthesis in
>>The Autobahn , and how did they get it to "talk" in time with the beat ?
>
and then...
>I'm not sure. But I think it's a VOCODER.
>This machine has double inputs--one for mic and the other for your
> instrument.
> Words will be controled by what you say and the pitch by the instrument.
>H. Hancock(spell?) a jazz KB player sang all the songs with it in the
> album "S
>UNRISE"(I think it was).
>
>Am I wrong? SOMEBODY?
>
As far as I know,in a not so old interview with keyboard magazine,they
talk about a custom made device wich actually "plays" vowels and syllabs.
I'll try to find the issue.By the way,you can ALMOST get the same with
a vocoder,provided that you can find the right sound in the modulator
instrument (it works in a "carrier-modulator" fashion,the voice being the
carrier).
Happy noises,and happy next day,Japan!

PS:did you hear that japanese band pizzicato five?I think H.Hosono has
something to do with them,but I'm not sure.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:24:02 +0000
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From:         Martin Russ 
Subject:      Re: Good News/Bad News--Synth/Sampler-I don't know what to do!!?!?

Hi

Nick Rothwell responded to:

>>   Playing orchestration pieces on any midi module is just setting up
>>the tracks properly vol and velocity wise.

with:

>Surely the whole point of General MIDI is that it's supposed to be a
>>no-brainer?

IMHO, General MIDI requires no effort to get poor playback of orchestral
pieces of music. But then, trying to get a GM file to sound right when it
is played back isn't just a question of setting the volumes and dynamics
(via velocity) either.

It depends on the orchestration too - GM has such a limited palette of
sounds that I always end up using non-GM sounds to get the timbres that
feel right for me. I have managed to get some okay results, but it was
slow, hard work (rather like re-arranging someone else's work from
scratch), and I tend to end up using rather more than just GM sources (more
like 90% my own sounds, 10% GM!). And there's enough differences in the
various GM modules to ensure that music sounds different when played back
from different GM modules - some sound good, some sound okay, and some
sound not so good.

I have always thought that you get what you pay for - and with GM you don't
pay much or get very much. Personally, give me synthesis instead of 'no
brainer' 'paint-by-numbers' any day!

Now I do have a GM module, but it is so that I can listen to other people's
GM files (and as a source of fill sounds, not for 'front of the mix' use!)
and learn a little of their techniques - I've heard some very inventive
ways of using it. I'm not anti-GM:, it's fine for its intended application
(perhaps 'paint-by-numbers' is a little harsh!), but for me it doesn't
offer the depth or detail that I prefer.

Regards

Martin



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 Martin Russ            Reviewer & Columnist for Sound On Sound Magazine (UK)
 mruss@midi.dungeon.com      Hi-Tech Music Technical Author & MIDI Consultant
 http://www.dungeon.com/~midi              Macintosh & Synthesizer Programmer
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Date:         Sun, 10 Mar 1996 22:09:04 -0800
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From:         Timothy Kelly 
Subject:      Re: Good News/Bad News--Synth/Sampler-I don't know what to do!!?!?

Hi All,
   You take any piece of gear, you add your imagination, and you see
what you can do with it. Certain things can be done very well with
presets, other projects one will want to use ones own custom created
sounds.
   Beethoven is still Beethoven even on a GM synth.
   The idea is to express yourself, the music, melodies, emotion, you
have inside.
   You can express things a certain way with a one note at a time
analog pieces of gear, other ways with an top of the line sampler,
other ways with a bunch of synths.
   You do the best musical job you have with whatever gear you have.
   The idea is too have fun and enjoy yourself.
   Dont be limited by the gear you have or the gear you dont have.
   Theres no reason why one couldnt write 12 symphonys on a GM synth or
even score 12 films with one.
   GM is just a patch list in a certain order.
   One can choose to be limited by this or not.
   I choose to not be limited by gear or midi or anything else.
   I tend to just say, whats the best I can do with this piece of gear
or this music project. And then when the next thing comes along. How
can I do this better. What new things can I learn about music and sound
today, even with a GM module.
    As your musical imagination grows, you can get more music and more
sound ideas out of any synth, any sampler.
    Happy Emusic.
    Timothy Kelly
    MidiVox




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Date:         Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:00:34 GMT
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From:         "Eric Harnden (Ronin)" 
Subject:      suggested listening

recent and recommended acquisitions:

1) Trans Slovenia Express - a compilation of slovenian rock and
electronic bands covering kraftwerk tunes. an enormous amount of
fun, with sounds that range from the humorously dirgelike
(laibach's cover of "das spiegelglas der welt" is actually sung
in slovenian, and winds up sounding like a cross between
prokofiev and the swans) to the conventionally danceable, to the
sweetly lyrical, to the deliberate parody of heavy metal (you've
got to hear strelnikoff's take on "man machine"). the mastering
is excellent, pulling together a pretty diverse set of sonic
approaches into a cohesive album. none of the material is
anywhere near as spare as kraftwerk's, and yet most of it either
retains enough of the original ideas of their work, or carries
them off in mostly intelligent new directions, so as to diminish
kraftwerk's claim that their music is inseparable from them.
in many ways, i enjoy this album more than any single
collection by kraftwerk themselves. on Mute 61612-2.

2) Philip Glass: Dancepieces - i imagine this one is not new for
many of you, but i just picked it up for myself, and it's
definitely my favorite glass so far. one of the things i
particularly like about it (and about glass in general), is that
while the music is formally rigid - to a degree that if i were to
strictly translate its notation into a sequencer i would produce
a very cold and, i think, uninteresting music - the sound is not
at all so - it breathes as it moves, with the bowing and the
arpeggiating and so on. the music itself is harmonically
attractive, and at the same time open enough that i wind up
listening to it as a *performnace*, and not simply a melody and
orchestration. most of these pieces, having been written for the
dance, move a bit more than some of his other material, and even
though most of the tone production isn't electronic, i think his
place in the impact zone of compositional and technical attitudes
that i consider to be the essence of emusic is pretty firm.

i also picked up a copy of tangerine dream's "le parc", but
that's just back-catalog filling - hardly news.

btw - has anyone else picked up klaus schulze's live album at
royal albert hall? schulze is remaining extraordinarily
idiosyncratic and self-absorbed. this one is tonally thin,
melodically abstract, and purely expressive. he's hgetting good
at restructring the idiom: he uses space-sound tonalities, but
doesn't make space music with them anymore. a difficult album to
get close to, in many ways... definitely not wallpaper.

which leads me to the following question: is anyone i don't know
about doing *emusic* these days - not just newage or
academynoise or one of the endlessly differentiated and
substantively indistinguishable ambient forms? or even krautrock?
point me to something.

<--- Entropy Always Wins, And I Like To Be On The Winning Side --->
  Eric Harnden (Ronin) harnden@physics.american.edu (202)885-2746
   http://physics.american.edu:8001/dka400/www/enh/enh-home.html

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Date:         Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:59:22 -0600
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From:         Jon Morris 
Subject:      Re: suggested listening
In-Reply-To:  <199603122056.PAA17763@dresden.american.edu> from "Eric Harnden"
              at Mar 12, 96 10:00:34 pm

>
> which leads me to the following question: is anyone i don't know
> about doing *emusic* these days - not just newage or
> academynoise or one of the endlessly differentiated and
> substantively indistinguishable ambient forms? or even krautrock?
> point me to something.
>

check out David Torn's "Tripping over God" - it came out last year
sometime on CMP records, also he has a new one coming out April 9th, and
I've heard rumors of some kind of solo tour.  There isn't any synth
playing, just layers of processed guitars and sparse percussion.  Some of
it might be a little more ambient than you're interested in, but I think
that most of the album lives comfortably somewhere between new age and
academynoise.  The textures he creates are wonderful, but the album's
strength is in the composition.  Plus, as a little additional incentive,
he recorded the whole album at home, I think with Sound Tools, so the
production side of it may be of interest to emusic folks as well.

-Jon
jonmor@moontower.com
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Date:         Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:19:28 -0500
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From:         NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG
Subject:      Re: suggested listening

Could you please spare us the puerile music appreciation suggestions.
Anyone who still listens to Glass is in trouble.
BYE
RPC
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:42:00 +0900
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From:         BUYO-BUYO-IGOR 
Subject:      IWASWRONGSORRY

>>>I'm not sure. But I think it's a VOCODER.
>>>Am I wrong? SOMEBODY?
>You are wrong.
>They don't use a vocoder on Autobahn at all.

ooops, sorry that I couldn't help
so that's what's great of Kraftwerk....I see.

BUYO-BUYO-IGOR=Masaaki Tsuji=cxl03253@niftyserve.or.jp
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Date:         Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:28:34 CST
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From:         harry haecker 
Subject:      "puerile" suggested listening???

>Could you please spare us the puerile music appreciation suggestions.
>Anyone who still listens to Glass is in trouble.

Bull!!  I've read Mr. Harndin's posts for three years now, and I don't believe
he should be described as having "puerile music appreciation suggestions."  I
appreciate hearing well thought out reviews of music as he has done.  It opens
my mind up to music I may never have heard before; not only that... it is much
more entertaining and informative than your less than engrossing 2-line post.
Besides, aren't _YOU_ giving us your opinion (albeit without a lot of
explaination or deep contemplation) on what is or isn't good to listen to?  Why
is it OK for you to do so, and not for Ronin?

So, "RPC," for your edification and education, I'll tell you something else: I
picked up a CD of Alwin Nikolais, the master choreographer/composer, which
contains a retrospective of his electronic dance music from the 60's to the
80's.  It's a very fun CD, full of quirky timbres and rhythms.  Also, I found it
interesting to hear what sounds Nikolais could tweak and coax from his modular
Moog (he bought Moog's very first synthesizer using funds from a Guggenheim
Fellowship!), and how they evolve over this period.  His later work featured the
Emulator as the flagship synth.  This CD is on CRI and is catalogue #CD-651.
Maybe you'll open up your mind and check it out?

Harry Haecker (haeckerh@nwrc.gov)
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:26:29 -0500
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From:         NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG
Subject:      Re: "puerile" suggested listening???

I was listrening to and watching Alvin Nikolais when you were kicking slats
out of your cradle.
Check out my two albums on CRI
BYE
RPC
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:55:54 -0500
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From:         Joe McMahon 
Subject:      Re: suggested listening
In-Reply-To:  <960312201928.7f22@FLO.ORG> from "NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG" at Mar 12,
              96 08:19:28 pm

>
> Could you please spare us the puerile music appreciation suggestions.
> Anyone who still listens to Glass is in trouble.
> BYE
> RPC
>

Bob. This wasn't a useful contribution. De gustibus non disputandum.
"I don't find Glass that listenable myself. I'd recommend you try..."
is useful. I hope you can see the difference.

 --- Joe M.
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:32:33 -0500
Reply-To:     Electronic Music Discussion List 
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From:         Joe McMahon 
Subject:      Re: "puerile" suggested listening???
In-Reply-To:  <960313092629.7353@FLO.ORG> from "NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG" at Mar 13,
              96 09:26:29 am

>
> I was listrening to and watching Alvin Nikolais when you were kicking slats
> out of your cradle.
> Check out my two albums on CRI
> BYE
> RPC
>
What are the titles? It'd be easier to find them (or order them) with those.

 --- Joe M.
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:10:32 -0500
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From:         NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG
Subject:      Re: suggested listening

Sorry. Just trying to be useful.
RPC
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:36:12 CST
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From:         harry haecker 
Subject:      Re[2]: "puerile" suggested listening???

>I was listrening to and watching Alvin Nikolais when you were kicking slats
>out of your cradle.
>Check out my two albums on CRI
>BYE
>RPC

Oh my, my.  Am *I* impressed...again, you have nothing constructive to add to my
post concerning music-- just self-aggrandizment.  What does having albums out on
CRI or your or my age have anything to do with it??  One can certainly be an old
jerk as easily as a young one!! Perhaps I assumed incorrectly about your
chronological age due to the childish tone of your missive.

Heck, I can't even "check out your two albums on CRI" without the catalogue
numbers!  I _would_ be interested in hearing your music and giving it a fair
listening...I even listen to Phillip Glass...why not "RPC?"  Maybe I'll even
review them with Ronin and post it to Emusic-L :-)

Also, I think that this forum is not the place for this kind of bantering: if
you had included your email address with your initials I wouldn't have responded
to the whole list to begin with!

Ceasing and desisting on this thread,

Harry Haecker (haeckerh@nwrc.gov)
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Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:08:43 -0500
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From:         NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG
Subject:      Re: "puerile" suggested listening???

CRI 328 and CRI 482. Also BEEP l00l amd BEEP l002. These are all
EL PEAS. If you want autographed copies the price is 100 bucks each.
Good listening!
BOB