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Date:         Sun, 28 Apr 1996 02:06:53 -0400
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From:         "Bacil C. Warren" 
Subject:      Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds.

Hi, all--
Tim Kelly wrote:
You bypass the mind in some way. The mind doesn't have the ability
to come up with or hear anything new. Its just a living
computer/recorder for storage.
   Its the imagination that creates and can hear, and nudge you to do
new things with music and sound. You somehow feed this childlike muse
ideas. Audible, written, visual, and you follow through on the creative
leaps it offers you.
   Often just doing something for the pure fun of it can still the mind
so that something from the imagination comes through. Eat a favorite
food, see a movie, make love, daydream, improvise, kick back.
   Also, I find editing a little right before going to bed, I have a
dream about a sound, or hear a sound. Then on waking up I write the
info down. One can also do this with daydreaming as well as nite
dreaming.
   The imagination and using it for sound editing can be exercised and
developed like any other skill. If you really get stuck, invite a
couple of kids over and watch them just go at it.
   Another fun thing is to just imagine yourself being sound.
   What sounds would you be like? Why?

If not in the brain (mind), where does imagination reside?
That is a basic flaw in an otherwise excellent statement. I love the imagery;
you obviously have an excellent imagination. Help me understand what you see
as the difference.

--Chris
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Date:         Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:52:40 -0400
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From:         "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." 
Subject:      MIDI files to exchange

Does anyone have any good MIDI files to exchange?  I have many .MID files and
most are quite good.  I have composed one of my own with a friend.  It is
only a minute long, but for someone who only got to grade one in their Piano
exams, this was an achievment.  It is quite good, and has been added to a
MIDI download list on the Software Libraries of AOL.  I am only 13 years old,
but I'm now learning the guitar and hope to compose many future songs.  If
anyone has any MIDI files to exchange please mail me on Andysmoke@aol.com

TTFN
Andrew Whittle, Wirral, England
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Date:         Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:15:45 -0400
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From:         "Art T. User" 
Subject:      Re: MIDI files to exchange

I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING MY FIRST CD.  PLEASE FORWARD ANY DEMO TAPES
(COPYWRITTEN MATERIAL ONLY) TO:

SOUNDWRITER PRODUCTIONS
P.O. BOX 3773
ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO 80155-3773

REGARDS
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Date:         Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:57:34 -0700
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From:         Timothy Kelly 
Subject:      Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2

>If not in the brain (mind), where does imagination reside?
>That is a basic flaw in an otherwise excellent statement. I love the imagery;
>you obviously have an excellent imagination. Help me understand what you see
>as the difference.
>
>--Chris

Hi All,
   The mind is just an organic computer. It records whatever we put into it,
information, habits, etc. When the body dies, so does the mind.
   The imagination is that spiritual part of ourselves, our true selves,
that does not need the body or the mind, which we just borrow for a
lifetime. I call this Soul. Soul leaves the body at death and goes elsewhere
to have different experiences.
   The imagination or Soul, is what can and does create things, hunches,
intuition, deju va, the ability to make imaginative leaps, these are
spiritual skills, actually creating things.
   The mind can never come up with a new ideas or create anything.
   Only Soul can. Soul can dream, daydream, fantasize, have a vision, set
goals for the future, ete. Its that small childlike ability to be in the
here and now.
   The mind can only playback the past and store the present. The mind has
no ability to future anything.
   Mind can be taught motor skills, or how to muscle playback say learning
to play an musical instrument. Soul imagines being able to play and gives
one the new desire to study music.
   Mind can learn how to push buttons to edit a synth sound. Only Soul can
hear and play the inner sound one is trying to get and let mind know, yeah
thats it, lets save it.
   Mind can record and learn to imitate some other composer. Soul can give
you the divine inspiration for your own compositions.
   So, without Soul, imagination, there would be no music, no art, no dance,
no great inventions, no wondering about like after death, no love, no
synths, no computers, no laughter, no exploring. No Intenet, no creativity,
no imagination.
   Happy Imagination
   Timothy Kelly
   MidiVox

MidiVox. Real Time Voice to Midi. Hum, Scat, Talk, Rap, Sing.
Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller.
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 01:16:05 -0600
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From:         christine annette jackson 
Subject:      Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2
In-Reply-To:  <199604290257.TAA03799@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>

On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, Timothy Kelly wrote:

>    The imagination is that spiritual part of ourselves, our true selves,
> that does not need the body or the mind, which we just borrow for a
> lifetime. I call this Soul. Soul leaves the body at death and goes elsewhere
> to have different experiences.
>    The imagination or Soul, is what can and does create things, hunches,
> intuition, deju va, the ability to make imaginative leaps, these are
> spiritual skills, actually creating things.
>    The mind can never come up with a new ideas or create anything.
>    Only Soul can. Soul can dream, daydream, fantasize, have a vision, set
> goals for the future, ete. Its that small childlike ability to be in the
> here and now.
>    The mind can only playback the past and store the present. The mind has
> no ability to future anything.
>    Mind can be taught motor skills, or how to muscle playback say learning
> to play an musical instrument. Soul imagines being able to play and gives
> one the new desire to study music.
>    Mind can learn how to push buttons to edit a synth sound. Only Soul can
> hear and play the inner sound one is trying to get and let mind know, yeah
> thats it, lets save it.
>    Mind can record and learn to imitate some other composer. Soul can give
> you the divine inspiration for your own compositions.
>    So, without Soul, imagination, there would be no music, no art, no dance,
> no great inventions, no wondering about like after death, no love, no
> synths, no computers, no laughter, no exploring. No Intenet, no creativity,
> no imagination.

So, Timothy -- where would you say that "emotions" fit into your figuring of
the creation of sounds?  You divide mind and soul -- would "emotion" be a
separate entity, also, being an altogether different origin of influence
to the creator?

Bambi
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:29:51 +0200
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From:         Jesus Tejada 
Subject:      Re: FSK and SMPTE

>Does anyone know the difference between synching to tape with FSK
>and synching with SMPTE?? I have an old Voyetra OP-4001 midi card that
>supports FSK but my sequencing software only supports SMPTE. I don't know
>what to do at this point and would appreciate *any* input.
>
>
>
>___________________________________________________________
>|  gjenkins@delphi.umd.edu      |       University of     |
>|       Greg Jenkins            |          Maryland       |
>-----------------------------------------------------------

Difference is that FSK is an analogical longitudinal format, but SMPTE is a
digital transversal format of sync signals.
It's no matter your format if you intend working with soft and cards:
you'll never need it in sequencing.
Other matter is if you intend working with another source that requires
sincronization, like video.
Hope this helps.

Jesus Tejada
Professor of Music Technology
Dpt. of Artistic Expression
University of La Rioja
C/ Luis de Ulloa s/n
E-26004 Logrono
Spain
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:35:44 -0400
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From:         Mike 
Subject:      Re: FSK and SMPTE

>>Does anyone know the difference between synching to tape with FSK
>>and synching with SMPTE?? I have an old Voyetra OP-4001 midi card that
>>supports FSK but my sequencing software only supports SMPTE. I don't know
>>what to do at this point and would appreciate *any* input.
>>

Some midi interfaces (like the Music Quest 2port/SE can actaully read both
formats) Older versions of Cakewalk will sync with FSK. Hope this helps.

  MIKE

  ZIN music
  lithium@execulink.com
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:03:35 -0700
Reply-To:     Electronic Music Discussion List 
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From:         Timothy Kelly 
Subject:      Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2

>So, Timothy -- where would you say that "emotions" fit into your
figuring of
>the creation of sounds?  You divide mind and soul -- would "emotion"
be a
>separate entity, also, being an altogether different origin of
influence
>to the creator?
>
>Bambi
>
Hi Bambi, All.
   Positive emotions are spiritual qualities. Love, Joy, happiness,
trust, forgiveness, giving, etc. Negative emotions are reactions too
often caused by the mind playing back a negative experience so we
believe it is happening to us again. Hate, anger, mistrust, lying,
deception, desire to have power and control over others, etc.
   In terms of music, music written with joy and zest, to uplift one,
open the heart centers, music to heal, music written for the sheer love
of sound, dance music that recharges one with happiness.
   Music that makes one feel better physically, emotionally, mentally,
and spiritually after listening to it. Is music that has positive
emotional energy in it. In terms of pop music, love ballads that are
happy, dance rhythms that are in harmony with the heartbeat,
brainwaves, and the bodys natural rhythms. Positve songs.
   There is a lot of negative energy music out there. Music that makes
one feel worst physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
Heavy death metal, also the drug style of rock and roll, written by
those on drugs, written to drug the listener, to encourage them to use
drugs. Negitive street music, all about being victims, and using death,
violence, to solve problems, encouraging people to do violent things.
The depressing kinds of Country/Western where people are stuck in soap
opera problems of their own making, again victim music, that exists
just to sell cigarettes and beer.
    Each style of music has its positive and negative sides. One should
be aware of this, both as a listener and as a composer.
    One advantage of emusic is that synths allow one such a broad range
of emotional and tone color expression that one can sonicly get as
uplifting or as dark and depressing as one wants.
    In terms of sound design, single sounds can have a punch, or a
caress, can open us outwardly or cause us to cringe back away inside.
Can be loving, funny, can run the whole guantlet of expression from
positive to negative.
    Music and sound can touch one in ways nothing else can.
    Sound design, how we combine and use sounds in emusic, is a lot of
fun, but it also carrys along with it, being responsible for what we do
sound wise and how it affects others and ourselves.
    Most emusic musicans I have met are in it for the sonic freedom and
the sheer love of sound. I avoid those who are into using music to get
power and control over others, or to manipulate those into doing
something very destructive.
    Enjoy both your inner and outer sounds.
    Happy Emusic
    Timothy Kelly
    MidiVox


--
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Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some
Drums, Sing a Cello.

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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:24:33 -0400
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From:         "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." 
Subject:      Re: MIDI files to exchange

In a message dated 28/04/96  20:26:37, Soundwrite@aol.com wrote:

>I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING MY FIRST CD.  PLEASE FORWARD ANY DEMO TAPES
>(COPYWRITTEN MATERIAL ONLY) TO:
>
>SOUNDWRITER PRODUCTIONS
>P.O. BOX 3773
>ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO 80155-3773
>
>REGARDS

This is a reply to my mail titled 'MIDI files to exchange'.  I have only
written one MIDI file that is one minute long and I live in England, so I
can't send demo tapes to Colarado, besides the fact I haven't got any demo
tapes (unless you want to hear my singing)!

Andrew Whittle, Wirral, England
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:03:30 -0400
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From:         Randy Hogg 
Subject:      connect BOSS DR-5 to Cakewalk

Hi.
    I've been reading this list for awhile and haven't seen much on the BOSS
DR-5.  I like it's drum sounds, but when I play the drum track through
Cakewalk on my HP PC, it sounds terrible and a lot of the drum sounds don't
come across at all.  I'm wondering if the CS4232 sound card from Crystal that
came on the HP is the problem or am I missing something obvious.  Any ideas?
 Thanks in advance.
Randy
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:47:42 -0500
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From:         Frank Coder 
Subject:      notation database

Does anyone on this list know of a database for notation?  I collect folk
songs for classroom (elementary music) and need a way classify and
retrieve them according to the most difficult rhythmic and melodic
pattern in the song.  Right now I'm using a very cumbersome and
inadequate alfabetical coding system on a regular text database.  It
worked ok when I had about 300 songs, but at 1200+, it's a pain. Thanks
for any help.
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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:30:10 -0400
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From:         "John C. Witzgall" 
Subject:      Re: notation database

Sorry y'all .... but me too .
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:41:06 +0200
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From:         Jesus Tejada 
Subject:      Re: notation database

>Does anyone on this list know of a database for notation?  I collect folk
>songs for classroom (elementary music) and need a way classify and
>retrieve them according to the most difficult rhythmic and melodic
>pattern in the song.  Right now I'm using a very cumbersome and
>inadequate alfabetical coding system on a regular text database.  It
>worked ok when I had about 300 songs, but at 1200+, it's a pain. Thanks
>for any help.

Dear Frank,
Try FileMaker Pro


Jesus Tejada
Professor of Music Technology
Dpt. of Artistic Expression
University of La Rioja
C/ Luis de Ulloa s/n
E-26004 Logrono
Spain
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:31:36 -0500
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From:         ARTEMATICA 
Subject:      Industrial

-- [ From: ARTEMATICA * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Industrial esthetics.
Industrial ethics.
Industrial art.
Industrial cinematography.
Industrial photography.
Industrial poetry.
Industrial theater.
Industrial philosophy.
Industrial fields.
Industrial literature.
Industrial architecture.
Industrial mode.
Industrial sex.
Industrial industrial.

Where can I mail lists and news groups about it?

Thank you.

ARTEMATICA@tst.hnet.es
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:40:59 -0400
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From:         Mike 
Subject:      Re: connect BOSS DR-5 to Cakewalk

>Hi.
>    I've been reading this list for awhile and haven't seen much on the BOSS
>DR-5.  I like it's drum sounds, but when I play the drum track through
>Cakewalk on my HP PC, it sounds terrible and a lot of the drum sounds don't
>come across at all.  I'm wondering if the CS4232 sound card from Crystal that
>came on the HP is the problem or am I missing something obvious.  Any ideas?
> Thanks in advance.
>Randy
>
Do you mean the DR-550? If so, the only problem I had using it was that I
couldn't access a couple sounds from the keyboard (like the scratch sound).

  MIKE

  ZIN music
  lithium@execulink.com
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:17:31 -0400
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From:         Kirk Malay 
Subject:      Re: Rap 10 software rewrite.

Hello

I have the RAP-10 and a Soundbalster and with both I can do just about any
thing.  I also produce software and maybe we can do something.  If you write
back we'll talk more.

write me at my other address
ultimate@wizard.com

thanks
Kirk
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:26:06 -0400
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From:         "Alan M. Bookmiller" 
Subject:      Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2

Thought you might enjoy the following on this thread - From the early sixties.
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"Reminisce Composers"

A song in minor key becomes a surgeons blade
opening my heaving chest.
The untrained hands of the listeners
enter and grasp my pounding,
thrashing heart.
Pulling, tugging, until viens and vessels
are straining taut as a musical string,
plucking,
tuning higher,
higher.
Pain!
Pain,
shooting into my brain,
snaking behind my eyes,
pulsing behind my motivation.
Am I dreaming this terrible
yet
somehow mystifyingly beautiful melody?
Please, allow me imagination!
Divinity, I pray,
bestow upon me,
the inner sound.

I fear my life will be spilled forth useless upon barren ground!
Life's sweat,
life's blood,
squeezed from the mud,
will be used to pen my epitaph.
Composer.
Oh, deeper,
and deeper I slide
into peaceful darkness.
Euphony awaits patiently at the bottom of a still fresh grave.
That tomb dug deep by orchestral temerity;
the spade,
the inner sound.

Moist earth tumbles-in,
cool upon my cheek,
I am pronounced acoustically dead.
I am draped with layers of dank and yellowing manuscript.
My instrument is laid next to me.
A tear merges with composer's ink
and slowly trickles black down my face,
pooling at the corner of my pale lips.
"Warpaint for the old staff sergeant,"
whispers bystanders
above the deafening
inner sound.

I watch through closed eyes at their lips parting,
their tongues moving,
slightly.
Who are they,
why are they here?
Critics?
Judges of the soul?
Counters of a life's worth?
Do they tally my mistakes
or my contributions?
Do they recommend,
and to whom?
What do they want from me now?
I can no longer create music!
Ah!...
they are the mourners of dead composers.
Dead as strings in a decrepit piano,
entwined and rusty,
no longer ringing recognizeable,
now a mere metallic thump when a key is caressed.
Vibrationless.
Gathered, standing, shifting, they mourn.
But, what is to be missed?
Is something more lost than simply a life
with the passing of a composer?
With turned down eyes, they sense a lifeline broken,
all drifting further,
and further
from that once tethered...
the inner sound.

Listeners now listen.
Echoing amongst the canyons of lost art,
a lost rhythm.
Sound,
silence,
sound,
silence,
sound,
silence...
silence.
Rhythmist be warned of the silence.
Composers pass on,
to wander in all time through the mist of creations,
and I,
I now take up their search.
Seeking,
waiting,
seeking,
waiting...
waiting.
To be reborn,
renewed,
through chordal perfection.
I pass the baton to the younger wise,
blessed with inner sound.

I leave now to craft
yet another sound,
another rhythm,
another presence.
Imagination is my lasting salvation.
I imagine my works faultless.
Note by note I toil,
building that song in minor key.
My gift indeed.
We, as masons,
each alone in search of ethereal harmony,
gather mortar and stone along our sojourn.
We alone, erect our castles,
and raise our monuments.
We long to kiss goodnight
once and for all time,
our muse,
reminisce composers.
To roll up slowly one last time,
with care and caution,
to store away forever our tattered chart,
our guide,
our blueprint...
the inner sound.


                                M. Snoebaer, 1964

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Alan Bookmiller

tabbooks@pa.net (Alan M. Bookmiller)
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:07:09 EDT
Reply-To:     Electronic Music Discussion List 
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From:         "Eric Harnden (Ronin)" 
Subject:      dichotomy

i notice that Mr. Midivox's taxonomy applies the term "mind" to
a description that most of us would associate simply with "brain"
(the whole information processing engine thing), and attributes to
"soul" those experiences of our higher-order consciousness that some
of us might associate simply with "mind" (imagination, etc). if one
knocks one redundant level of syntactical obfuscation out from under
his description and properly labels the brain (the information
processing engine) as "the brain", then one can address the processes
of the imagination (higher-order experiences) without reference to
the soul at all.
sorry... "redundant level of syntactical obfuscation" is a bit thick,
isn't it? all i mean to say is that one should keep one's terms
straight and one's logical levels distinct.
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:15:18 EDT
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From:         "Eric Harnden (Ronin)" 
Subject:      fsk/smpte

hmmm... a bit of confusion, here, i see...
FSK is a frequency-modulated carrier tone that doesn't provide
much information but can be recorded to tape. it usually communictes
(damn) communicates start/stop and tempo, and the tempo is embedded
in the synch signal itself. many devices still use it for basic
synch capability without a lot of brains. SMPTE comes in two flavors,
the most common of which, LTC (longtiudinal time code), is also a
modulated carrier tone that can be recorded on tape. the difference is
that the information encoded is more complex. its main function is
to "time-stamp" each 1/30th of a second on a tape, allowing not
just start/stop cability but an absolute addressing mechanism. the
mechanism is tempo independent. regardless of what the tempo of
your music is, 15 seconds is still 15 seconds. most systems now
synch to a SMPTE signal. when doing audio work that must connect
up with anything else (multiple audio decks, linked computers,
video, etc.) it is a must.
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Date:         Wed, 1 May 1996 10:33:19 +1000
Reply-To:     Electronic Music Discussion List 
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From:         David Rodger 
Subject:      Re: dichotomy

HI folks...

> redundant level of syntactical obfuscation

etc.

Harnden to the rescue!  And here was I waiting for a psychologist to dip in!

Regards, David
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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Date:         Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:16:10 -0400
Reply-To:     Electronic Music Discussion List 
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From:         "Art T. User" 
Subject:      Re: MIDI files to exchange

I will be in London this fall, shopping a distribution deal for my CD
Release.
Regards